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pluke the 2
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i got the beginning of it now.
Range Report & M&P 15-22 "Apples & Oranges Comparison" to my Dedicated .22lr setup
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i got the beginning of it now.
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pluke the 2
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Then, my friend, you are a lousy shot!
That said, if you can't get 3/4" groups at 25 yards from a 15-22 in a Lead Sled, then something is either badly wrong with your sled, your rifle or both. I do it with mine all the time without a sled. And I am far from being alone.
thanks for the compliment or confidence booster.
how does 15mph wind effect your target practice?
Majorlk
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Sounds like you have a loose barrel nut, a loose scope mount, a loose fore end or some other mechanical problem.
Not to be insulting, but how much actual shooting experience do you have?
FWIW, my 9 and 14 year old grandsons get essentially the same performance out of their 15-22s that I get out of mine, so it's not a fluke ... just typical.
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Majorlk
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You made no mention of a 15 mph wind. After doping the wind, it should make little, if any, difference.
RedNeck Jim
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pluke the 2
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damn. you guys are brutal. very little actual shooting experience. now if you count video games, than i'm a pro. but ya i'm getting "flamed".
i'll blame my lack of shooting experience before the rifles components.
how do i check the barrel nut to see if its loose? I tried twisting the barrel but it didn't appear loose.
I locktighted and made sure that the scope mount and scope are 100% secured.
this was my second time shooting the m&p 15-22 and first time shooting the dedicated .22lr...
i'll blame my lack of shooting experience before the rifles components.
how do i check the barrel nut to see if its loose? I tried twisting the barrel but it didn't appear loose.
I locktighted and made sure that the scope mount and scope are 100% secured.
this was my second time shooting the m&p 15-22 and first time shooting the dedicated .22lr...
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pluke the 2
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Here was the set up...
Majorlk
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FWIW, I would expect the dedicated upper to be more accurate, simply due to the more rigid, metal construction.
As others have said, it's an apples to oranges comparison. Might as well compare the dedicated upper to a good bolt action. Makes as much sense, IMHO.
As others have said, it's an apples to oranges comparison. Might as well compare the dedicated upper to a good bolt action. Makes as much sense, IMHO.
Majorlk
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No one is getting flamed. The OP made a comparison that most of us think makes no sense, and then challenges other shooters accuracy claims when he obviously has no understanding of MOA. He assumes that all 15-22s are shooting like his does when he admits he has very little actual shooting experience with firearms. Video games ... really?
And looking at the photo of the lead sled ... it's on a blanket the ground, not a solid bench. Every time he pulls the trigger, most likely the sled feet shift in the dirt. Invalidates any accuracy measurements.
Majorlk
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After looking at the photo, your testing setup is faulty. Unless it is rock, ground is not hard. The feet of the sled will shift on just about every shot as they settle in the dirt. The blanket just adds to the problem. The sled should be on a solid wooden or concrete bench to have any validity.
You can have a loose barrel nut and not be able to twist the barrel. The barrel fits into a keyway in the upper receiver and is held tight by the nut. It takes a nut wrench to check for tightness, but after seeing the test setup, I doubt a loose barrel is the problem ... inexperience with the firearm, with actual, shooting and a faulty testing setup are the problems.
Shooting, and accuracy, improves with practice. The more you shoot, the better the results will be. Keep at it!
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pluke the 2
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perfect. thanks major! i'll go back at it this weekend and test fire from a solid platform. ++ i'll be able to work on actual experience.
Majorlk
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Go for it! I'm betting you will be amazed at the difference!
You should attend and Appleseed. You'll get lots of good information. I'd be surprised if someone there couldn't help evaluate the 15-22 as well. If it was shooting poorly you could probably borrow a 10/22 from someone as well to see if the firearm is the problem.
RedNeck Jim
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Since when is telling the truth to a novice shooter being flamed? I didn't search him out. He came to a public discussion and that is what we are doing... discussing.
Sorry but I stand by my comments. His best group, not average, was 5" at 25 yards from a bench rest. No matter how you bake it, that is still really bad. So bad, that I don't see how the shooter could do that. I'm with the Major & think something is wrong somewhere... either with the gun or with the rest.
Sure we could all say great job but how would that be helpful? I think now the OP understands the concept of MOA & now understands his groups are way outside what one would expect from a 3 MOA rifle on a bench rest. Now that he knows his rifle should be able to shoot 3/4" groups at that range, not 5"+, he can work toward improvement.
I don't disagree about the OP learning a lot but I thought a couple of the comments were unnecessarily harsh.
RedNeck Jim
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I wish you could have had a conversation with my dad. He was a Marine veteran from south Louisiana who signed up before Pearl Harbor. He could dish out harsh with the best of them but I tell you what... I grew up tough with tough skin. I'm afraid this country is getting too soft & too PC.
I don't side with political correctness but I do prefer politeness when possible.
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pluke the 2
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hey guys no hard feelings. i asked for help and i got it. i'll hit the range back up and hopefully i can correct the issues at hand. thanks again guys.
dont even think about sending your daughters or sons out to show me up either! then i'll be really sad!
dont even think about sending your daughters or sons out to show me up either! then i'll be really sad!
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