N4KVE
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Same here. Should I ever be in a SHTF situation, with all that's going on, I doubt I will be looking for the reset click. GARY
Why do people care so much about trigger reset?
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Smitty357
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Because they arent use to shooting full auto. =-)
jepkr
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Trgger Reset
Trigger control and sight alignment are very important. Shooting the trigger reset allows for better trigger control helping the shooter from moving gun off of sight alignment. Those who practice shooting trigger reset enough do it without thinking. All is part of being a better shooter
Trigger control and sight alignment are very important. Shooting the trigger reset allows for better trigger control helping the shooter from moving gun off of sight alignment. Those who practice shooting trigger reset enough do it without thinking. All is part of being a better shooter
In most of the classes I've taken, they teach "shooting to the reset". Taking the shot, letting off the trigger till it reset, then taking the next shot as quickly as possible. The first one of these classes I used a M&P40C, completely stock, & I did have a little trouble doing this effectively. The solution for me in the next class I took? My 6906. The TDA worked well for me & I was able to do follow up shots way more effectively. I later tried adding a RAM(reset assist mechanism)from Apex to the 40C, but it didn't make enough difference for me to notice.
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If you don't shoot re-set (I don't), you can shoot any gun. If you shoot to re-set you'll have issues gun to gun.
Some top shooters like to "slap the trigger", no reset. They believe as I do it's faster under stress.. You have to use muscle control to shoot reset, which is a fine motor skill. Try just moving your finger fast a short distance, then open and close, you might be surprised to find out it's faster to just open and close.
Some top shooters like to "slap the trigger", no reset. They believe as I do it's faster under stress.. You have to use muscle control to shoot reset, which is a fine motor skill. Try just moving your finger fast a short distance, then open and close, you might be surprised to find out it's faster to just open and close.
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At the range with trigger staging. I can see how a trigger reset would matter, or while shooting the heads off matches rapid rate *like any of us can do that*.
However my guns are for self defense. and when I have a massive adrenaline dump, I seriously doubt I'm going to stop and think "gosh....I wish that trigger reset was better". I just shoot until the gun stops shooting then pray I can reload quick enough..................JMO.
However my guns are for self defense. and when I have a massive adrenaline dump, I seriously doubt I'm going to stop and think "gosh....I wish that trigger reset was better". I just shoot until the gun stops shooting then pray I can reload quick enough..................JMO.
catcus-jack
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Warrior thing now that's funny!And I am talking about the reset.No disrespect intended to our military or law enforcement men and women.
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I have never had to use a gun in a self defense situation, thankfully. But if I ever do I believe those who tell me I will be 50% as good as I am on the range. If I have to shot to defend my life I will be aiming as well as I can and pulling the trigger as fast as I can.
I don't know about you but I doubt I will be thinking "Wow, this trigger reset is really great!". I doubt I will even be noticing the reset, just pulling the trigger, letting it go, and pulling again.
Exactly.
Many people can't tell you how many times they shot in a SHTF situation.
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Having an audible and tactile reset is, IMO, not as important as a short reset when it comes to speed. If a pistol has both a tactile and short reset there are no drawbacks to that -- only potential benefits. Make no mistake, gunfights are short and extremely fast. If you are able to shoot the reset (only letting the trigger out the necessary amount to reset) you will be faster and more accurate.
That being said, like many have said - in a gun fight most of that goes out the window. So, since it goes out the window should I not desire a short reset? Should I not train to master the trigger on my SD guns? Of course not. You train and practice to master the trigger pull that may save your life. That means you should care to some degree about how that trigger operates and what the quickest method is for getting off the next accurate shot.
I follow the bang, slack out, bang method rather than bang, let tigger reset, bang method because I believe that under stress I am more likely to be able to feel and control the trigger resistance of the trigger break rather than hearing / feeling the reset. But I try to accomplish this action with as little movement and efficiently as possible.
That being said, like many have said - in a gun fight most of that goes out the window. So, since it goes out the window should I not desire a short reset? Should I not train to master the trigger on my SD guns? Of course not. You train and practice to master the trigger pull that may save your life. That means you should care to some degree about how that trigger operates and what the quickest method is for getting off the next accurate shot.
I follow the bang, slack out, bang method rather than bang, let tigger reset, bang method because I believe that under stress I am more likely to be able to feel and control the trigger resistance of the trigger break rather than hearing / feeling the reset. But I try to accomplish this action with as little movement and efficiently as possible.
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I've been shooting a couple of my Glocks lately and experimenting with shooting from the reset point. It is an interesting feature and does allow someone to shoot a little faster. I might get better with practice, but I have to consciously remember to hold the trigger back and them move it forward slightly to reset, not something I'm going to remember in a defense situation. It is good to know that the trigger resets pretty quick in case you short stoke it under stress.
DocSunShine
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Because most of us M&P fanboys (I guess you can lump me in) are converts from Glocks. Some of us still run Glocks and Glocks admittedly have a great reset, everything you'd want in a reset. I prefer my M&Ps over Glocks even with the worst reset in the world, but I do prefer a nice audible/tactile relatively short reset, makes follow up shots much easier.
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And they should not be teaching this. It is a target shooting technique, not applicable to fighting. Rob Leatham has a nice discussion about this on youtube, and on a certain limited access forum there have been some pretty significant discussions of the silliness of worrying about the reset except to the extent that ones gets the trigger all the way back out.
If you were able to shoot a DA/SA pistol better for the purpose of the class, you have either shot a heck of a lot to overcome the serious flaws of that system, or your instructors were creating some major training scars that will be hard to undo.
I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that I can shoot faster by letting the trigger go completely, compared to someone who slowly lets the trigger out feeling for a click.
And when a gun is recoiling and jumping in your hand, I can have my finger off the trigger and be ready to fire again, while a reset-feeler must keep the trigger pulled back and wait for the gun to get back on target before they can let the trigger out to feel for the reset.
If I'm wrong I'd love to learn more.
When shooting, I pull the trigger through the take-up and hold it at the break.
Maybe the science is lost on me, but I don't see the point. Especially when I shoot dozens of different guns and each is unique.
If it means something to you guys, then have at it, but I don't get it.
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And when a gun is recoiling and jumping in your hand, I can have my finger off the trigger and be ready to fire again, while a reset-feeler must keep the trigger pulled back and wait for the gun to get back on target before they can let the trigger out to feel for the reset.
If I'm wrong I'd love to learn more.
When shooting, I pull the trigger through the take-up and hold it at the break.
Maybe the science is lost on me, but I don't see the point. Especially when I shoot dozens of different guns and each is unique.
If it means something to you guys, then have at it, but I don't get it.
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Smitty357
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Shooting to the reset......
I hope that person only ones OWN weapon. Because they arent going to take several weapons and have them reset the same. Once they get use to one weapons reset, they'll be lost on the next weapons reset.
So unless u shoot just one weapon. There is no point in shooting for the reset.
It's like getting use to the horsepower in a civic and then stomping on the gas in a Lamborghini. Obviously u'll be lost when the Lambo takes off and u won't have a clue what to do.
I hope that person only ones OWN weapon. Because they arent going to take several weapons and have them reset the same. Once they get use to one weapons reset, they'll be lost on the next weapons reset.
So unless u shoot just one weapon. There is no point in shooting for the reset.
It's like getting use to the horsepower in a civic and then stomping on the gas in a Lamborghini. Obviously u'll be lost when the Lambo takes off and u won't have a clue what to do.
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i recently purchased a m&p 45c....my trigger is factory and i think i'm almost the only one to not go the apex route...the factory trigger is fine
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I have no idea why people care so much about re-set.
In a revolver, attempting this "parlor trick," also called "short-stroking" because the shooter does not permit the trigger to return to its fully forward position, will cause a failure to fire. The same thing can happen with "short-stroking" a DAO auto.
It is a matter of shooting one gun, or a small number of guns with similar triggers, having thousands upon thousands of high speed repetitions in order to create "muscle memory," and then still keeping your fingers crossed.
Re-set shooting (or short-stroking), i.e. not letting the trigger return to its full forward position is, for most of us, not a great advantage, but a potentially serious or dangerous disadvantage. Of course, most people who love the idea of short-stroking their Glocks and M&Ps do the majority of their shooting on a range and are not even in a hurry.
Thus, all of this baloney about re-set and having an audible click is just that - a bunch of baloney. It is a solution to a silly method of shooting for all but the most hardened professional match shooter or SEAL team or similar military operator (not civilian LE SWAT teams as they do not shoot enough) who fires a thousand or more rounds PER WEEK.
The last I checked, there are not too many people around who are faster than Rob Leatham and Jerry Miculek. Both do NOT short-stroke either the pistol or revolver. So, if you are as good as those two, then have at it. Otherwise, it is about as helpful as a full length guide rod in a 1911 (if you didn't get that reference, then how about this: about as helpful as "**** on a boar.")
In a revolver, attempting this "parlor trick," also called "short-stroking" because the shooter does not permit the trigger to return to its fully forward position, will cause a failure to fire. The same thing can happen with "short-stroking" a DAO auto.
It is a matter of shooting one gun, or a small number of guns with similar triggers, having thousands upon thousands of high speed repetitions in order to create "muscle memory," and then still keeping your fingers crossed.
Re-set shooting (or short-stroking), i.e. not letting the trigger return to its full forward position is, for most of us, not a great advantage, but a potentially serious or dangerous disadvantage. Of course, most people who love the idea of short-stroking their Glocks and M&Ps do the majority of their shooting on a range and are not even in a hurry.
Thus, all of this baloney about re-set and having an audible click is just that - a bunch of baloney. It is a solution to a silly method of shooting for all but the most hardened professional match shooter or SEAL team or similar military operator (not civilian LE SWAT teams as they do not shoot enough) who fires a thousand or more rounds PER WEEK.
The last I checked, there are not too many people around who are faster than Rob Leatham and Jerry Miculek. Both do NOT short-stroke either the pistol or revolver. So, if you are as good as those two, then have at it. Otherwise, it is about as helpful as a full length guide rod in a 1911 (if you didn't get that reference, then how about this: about as helpful as "**** on a boar.")
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Wow, I'm stunned at the responses I've seen here. At the time of this post there are 37 posts before me and only a couple of guys have it right.
I've never heard the term "shooting to the reset" before. It is wrong too. You don't shoot to the reset, you simply press the trigger.
There are three "secrets" to shooting well. They're not actually secrets, but when you look at most shooters at the local range, you can tell they are secrets to them. Here they are:
Trigger reset is vital to trigger control.
Slapping at the trigger, as most of you suggest, will pull the sights out of alignment and you'll miss. Control the trigger and you'll hit your target.
It's not about being slow. It's about control. At 15 yards I can put two shots within a hand span in the vitals of the bad guy in under 2.4 seconds. I use the reset every time. If you think it's slower then you're not doing it right. Dry practice is the key to learning this level of trigger control.
I took the name out of this post because I'm not meaning to look at the individual, but the entire set of folks here. This quote sums up what most are saying. If you follow this advice, especially in a self defense situation, you'll miss and then miss again. Why? Because of a lack of trigger control.
I've never heard the term "shooting to the reset" before. It is wrong too. You don't shoot to the reset, you simply press the trigger.
There are three "secrets" to shooting well. They're not actually secrets, but when you look at most shooters at the local range, you can tell they are secrets to them. Here they are:
- Sight Alignment
- Sight Picture
- Trigger Control
Trigger reset is vital to trigger control.
- Press the trigger until you have a surprise break.
- Trap the trigger back.
- Control the trigger out until you hit the reset.
- Back to step one.
Slapping at the trigger, as most of you suggest, will pull the sights out of alignment and you'll miss. Control the trigger and you'll hit your target.
It's not about being slow. It's about control. At 15 yards I can put two shots within a hand span in the vitals of the bad guy in under 2.4 seconds. I use the reset every time. If you think it's slower then you're not doing it right. Dry practice is the key to learning this level of trigger control.
Atticaz
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I used to ask the same question, until I got my Shield 9 and dropped in an Apex Sear. Faster and more effortless follow up shots, IMO. Nothing more, nothing less. Before my Shield I mostly shot my 92FS. Having a shorter reset helps me to maintain a SA trigger feel, while still carrying safely.
Again IMO, I would characterize the M&P's trigger pull as a SA pull as it does not pull the striker back before releasing. There is just some take up before that SA break. So why not eliminate that nonsensical take up, in a time of survival?
Again IMO, I would characterize the M&P's trigger pull as a SA pull as it does not pull the striker back before releasing. There is just some take up before that SA break. So why not eliminate that nonsensical take up, in a time of survival?
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bp231986
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Some people just look into things to much and make it harder than what it is....In a gunfight the last thing i want to worry about is a stupid trigger reset. Ill use the reset sometimes to play around when shooting paper and yes i shoot a little better but im slower. Under the gunfight situation youre not going to feel it or hear it, if anything your going to think you released it enough and pull your trigger to early and have no bang. Id like to hear a guy come out of a gun fight and say "O boy that trigger reset just saved my life!" not going to happen. YOU STICKING TO SIMPLE BASICS IS WHAT IS GOING TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE IN THE GUN FIGHT, NOT YOUR TRIGGER RESET.
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