Yet Another Ridiculous Cartridge

[kamloops67]

if you cant have your colt sauer how about a whiskey sour? sounds like you could use one (few)
i kinda agree with you though ,2-3000 for a nice looking hunting rifle ? i look at the plastic stocks and spray paint looking finishes for 6-700 and i cant see the value in it
i was/am trying to save for a browning/winchester high wall 45-70 cant afford that much quality, but at least i know its a cartridge that will be around tomorrow. unlike many of these new superfluous offerings

 

[H Richard]

I understand the CZ is producing a rifle for the round. If you are familiar with the CZ line you will know they produce very nice quality rifles, with good looking walnut and quality actions. The attractiveness of the 17 WSSM in Rimfire is a 3000 fps prairie dog or ground hog load for out to 250+ yards without having to reload. I'm sure there is enough of an audience desiring these qualities that it will turn into a mainstay and many other mfg's will make rifles for it.

 

[deadin]

prairie dog or ground hog load for out to 250+ yards without having to reload.

But will there be enough sustained interest to keep them in production and on the shelves. How many new "answers to problems that don't exist" have come and gone in the past? The problem with rimfires is that when they're gone, you can't even reload for them.

 

[yaktamer]

I understand the CZ is producing a rifle for the round. If you are familiar with the CZ line you will know they produce very nice quality rifles, with good looking walnut and quality actions. The attractiveness of the 17 WSSM in Rimfire is a 3000 fps prairie dog or ground hog load for out to 250+ yards without having to reload. I'm sure there is enough of an audience desiring these qualities that it will turn into a mainstay and many other mfg's will make rifles for it.

I like Savage rifles, but the pre-production sample I got to handle (but not shoot) left a lot to be desired. I don't know if the bugs have been worked out for the production rifles. Doubt that I'll be in the market in any event, but I'm guessing that the CZ will be better.

 

[jlrhiner]

Don't need the hug, thankya, just want a damn real gun. I'm old, but I'm not stupid. I'm about nuts or perhaps I've outlived my time, no regrets. I've been able to work full time plus overtime and spend lots of range time. A few years ago , I worked 3-11 and 1am-9am on Friday, just for another day at the range. Worked out well, but almost fell asleep one Sat. morning coming home. Wouldn't trade a minute of it. Wife is very understanding, may God bless her. If I die tomorrow, I pray you all have a life as good as mine. Thanks for listening, I still want(but don't need)a Colt-Sauer. God bless you all, don't forget Him.

It'd be easier to get a hug than a decent blue steel and walnut rifle.........

 

[yaktamer]

Also, in the interest of accuracy, I believe it's called the .17 Winchester Super Magnum, rather than "WSSM."

 

[Oldiron]

Some more of those niche cals. I don't own a .17 of any description (Oops, My pellet gun is a .177). I have owned some of the .22 mag cylinders for single 6s but found no use for them. That is just me and what I see useful in my area. My favorite rim fire is .22 short.
Yes, they will sell a bunch of them as they will pay for it to be hyped on several of the shooting shows and there will be a lot of folks that just have to have them. My $.02
Larry

 

[Texas Star]

Elmer Keith, at a Remington seminar in Maryland, I believe, said "what good is it," in reference to the introduction o Remington's 8mm Magnum. Exactly, it's defunct, as is their UltraMag

Well, blame Charles Askins for that 8mm. He sold Remington on the idea, as he liked the hotter 8mm Euro rounds. I think the Ultra was the child of another gun writer. I don't know him, and the impression I've formed of him from reading his work inclines me not to comment on him. It looks like an ICBM in photos. If I think I need anything like that beyond a .300 Weatherby, I want more bore size and bullet weight, too.

The .40 S&W surprised me with its success. The failure of the 10mm did not surprise. It's a shame that the 6mm Remington and their .280 haven't sold better.

 

[Wee Hooker]

I guess I don't get why you'd be upset with a US gun manufacturer trying to drum up some fresh business. If you have no interest, then don't buy one. If you'd rather have super fit and finish, buy a Kimber. Retail 101 says that they need to keep things fresh in order to keep us spending money if they are going to stay in business.. ( Bought any new savage 22's lately? I haven't.)
All that said, I admit I scoffed at the 17 HMR when it first came out. I had a .22 mag and could see no reason for it. Years latter, I got to try one. Now, I've sold off the .22 mag and now keep a (beautiful walnut and blue) 17 HMR to do it's job. IMHO, the 17 HMR was a significant improvement over the .22 mag for the kind of hunting I do. Too each their own but don't be so quick to judge for the rest of us.

 

[Fishslayer]

They talked about rifles? You sure it was "American Rifleman?" Thought they'd finally gone "All 1911, all the time!"

I would be interested in a handgun in .17 HMR or sumpin'...

 

[Oldiron]

Texas Star, I like the 6MM. I 'm sure the blame for it's lack of popularity is a good marketing ploy from Winchester. When they brought out their .243 they marketed it as much better than the 6MM because it could stabilize the heaver bullets and be useful for deer etc. Remington only intended the 6 as a varmint round until much later when they changed the designation from .244 to 6MM and changed the twist rate to stabilize the heaver bullits.
Larry

 

[rwsmith]

I hear that it's mostly.....

I hear that it's mostly the big game hunters because these will take down a Griz like lighting.

 

[arjay]

New cartridges tend to sell new guns.When the 17hmr came out I thought it was silly,but then I came across a Ruger 77/17 and it worked,I bought one.A bit too explosive for rabbits,but a neat round for prairie dogs ,without a lot of noise.As I get older,I prefer quieter

 

[RonJ]

Remember the 5mm Remington rf? An excellent varmint cartridge which failed. Only Remington made rifles for it and they were of mediocre quality. I'd bet if it had been chambered in a Winchester 75 it might have drawn more attention.
Maybe they should bring it back with a new name, like 5mm Zinger.

 

[RonJ]

Texas Star, I like the 6MM. I 'm sure the blame for it's lack of popularity is a good marketing ploy from Winchester. When they brought out their .243 they marketed it as much better than the 6MM because it could stabilize the heaver bullets and be useful for deer etc. Remington only intended the 6 as a varmint round until much later when they changed the designation from .244 to 6MM and changed the twist rate to stabilize the heaver bullits.
Larry

I owned a 6mm back in the day. It was a decent cartridge but ballistically wasn't much more than a tick above the 243. Also the 6mm required a long action. The 243 is basically a necked down 308. Can use a short action and plenty of 308 brass available. My vote goes to the 243.

 

[dcxplant]

Just got my American Rifleman. More nonsense about Savage and Winchester teaming up for the 17WSSM. They won't sell it to me. Innovative? I don't think so. I'm too old for this unimpressive ****. The 22LR and 22 Mag will do fine, thank you. Who is the intended market for this junk? Geeez

It's a conspiracy! The government has teamed with Savage and Winchester to gauge interest in fast and good performing rimfire cartridges.

If this one is a success, all ammo will be rimfire, meaning no more reloading!! A diabolical method of 2nd Amendment rights encroachment!

 

[Gunsnwater]

Where is all th 17 rimfire ammo? It will be an empty rifle for awhile unless they stop making 22s. Oh ****! 150 dollar bricks on the way.

 

[Joe Kent]

As is the case for many new introductions, the mfgs. are working to make the rifle and ammo that can be afforded by everyday people without breaking the family budget. Having watched my son use a 17HMR on prairie dogs ,I will most certainly try this new Win. rd. While I am not wild on the looks of the new Savage, I am pretty sure it will shoot. I will also tell you, it is a tool to be used without fear of damaging your Win. 52C Sporter. If you do not use a 17 to hunt with you most certainly can't see the need. If you actually try one ,I think you might actually appreciate this new developement. I will let you know ,once a heavy barreled version comes out.

 

[Taurus627]

This pointless drivel continues from manufacturers instead of giving me a nice walnut stock and brightly blued barrel, THAT'S WHY. Money spent on R&D of this junk in lieu of better materials and finish is a waste of money. Ever handle a Colt-Sauer rifle? Fit, finish and quality of materials is unsurpassed. Now, it's a new rimfire cartridge in a plastic stocked rifle with a dull blue finish. Winchester has limited production lever guns that go $1300 or so, made in Japan. Beautiful guns that we used to pay $3-400 for. Colt-Sauer rifles go $2-3000 and up for standard calibers, so someone is willing to pay the price. A firearm is not just a tool for me, there is aesthetic value as well. I have new as well as older Smith revolvers. Both are functional, but there's a difference in knowing someone stood at a lathe and machined an older one, it means something to me. I have a new 29 Classic and an old 581. The Classic went back because the cylinder release wouldn't return to original position, therefore I was unable to cock it or pull DA. They replaced the ejector rod and ratchet, retimed. The 581 has some chatter marks on the ejector shroud, below the rod, but it works every time I trip the trigger, made in '82. I enjoy seeing those chatter marks on the shroud, at least it was worked by the human hand. Way back when, when I was looking at a Colt Custom Shop catalog, it had a picture of a Custom Shop employee looking at the cylinder gap on an SAA revolver, said something like "there's no replacement for the human eye.". Those days are gone, but I miss 'em. Now, they waste money on idiotic stuff like the 17WSSM. Rant will never be over! Fire away

Easy dude!! Everyone is entitled to an opinion and we respect yours. Gun companies are going to do what they think is best and if you, me or anyone else doesn't like it, so what. Everyone has different likes and dislikes and they may not agree with you. Just think how boring and uninteresting life would be without change!

 

[Rangerpat]

I don't like that word anymore, CHANGE IT BACK!