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Since taking my first gun, a 40VE to the range a few weeks ago where i was a little off..mostly low to the left..i came on here and thanks to you folks i found out my trigger pull was probably to blame. Since then i have practiced and have made some improvement.

first try
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few weeks later
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Still a little off but i think much better. I still had three that were off. Two were the first rounds from each magazine was further left. The high right shot was a result of the guy in the next lane (indoor range) firing a S&W 50 and a little flinching resulted :eek:

Thanks Again
Erik
 
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It's almost always trigger control, sight picture, sight alignment. What distance was the target? Unless you are going to competitive shoot, forget that bulls eye for now and focus on good grouping. That's not bad shooting really. There are several drills/procedures to help you fine tune your grip/trigger control etc.

I have several from advice I got from this sight that I always bring to the range and just scan over before firing to make sure I don't develop any bad habits.

You use the same targets I do, consider this: Hold 1 of those targets up to your collar bone and look down at it. Looks like it covers from your waist to your collar and just about as wide, correct? Don't even consider just the black area, look at the whole rectangle.

Any of those shots would be very effective in an SD situation!

If you want, I have compiled in a word doc. with the stuff that has helped me that the great people here have supplied when I was a newer noob not many months ago. (still an noob)! LOL

These pics are my 1st range outing after I followed advise from this site.

Really the guy in the next lane has some problems, you not so much!:eek:
 

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That is awesome.

Glad the practice is helping and you are mastering the DA trigger. That is so much better than getting discouraged after the first mag and selling the gun or wussing out for a trigger spring kit.

Keep up the good work.
 
Nice inprovement!!!

That is awesome.

Glad the practice is helping and you are mastering the DA trigger. That is so much better than getting discouraged after the first mag and selling the gun or wussing out for a trigger spring kit.

Keep up the good work.

IMO It's statements like this that can make some new members feel unwelcome.

Why is getting a spring kit wussing out? That's like someone that doesn't mind upgrading there gun saying you're a wuss if you don't have the tolerance for risk to do any work to your gun. The facts are you can safely lighten the trigger on a SD/Sigma. It is still far from a hair trigger. If someone would like a little lighter trigger, it can be done far cheaper than selling your gun and buying a M&P (many people are on a tight budget). This is the only enthusiast forum I've seen that seems to be anti-modding.
 
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That is awesome.

Glad the practice is helping and you are mastering the DA trigger. That is so much better than getting discouraged after the first mag and selling the gun or wussing out for a trigger spring kit.

Keep up the good work.

Shawn is that you, Shawn.:D

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Nice inprovement!!!



IMO It's statements like this that can make some new members feel unwelcome.

Why is getting a spring kit wussing out? That's like someone that doesn't mind upgrading there gun saying you're a wuss if you don't have the tolerance for risk to do any work to your gun. The facts are you can safely lighten the trigger on a SD/Sigma. It is still far from a hair trigger. If someone would like a little lighter trigger, it can be done far cheaper than selling your gun and buying a M&P (many people are on a tight budget). This is the only enthusiast forum I've seen that seems to be anti-modding.

Thank you for that input, I have put the spring kit in my SD40 because I found the trigger pull a little heavy, I am not a rookie by any means with guns but this trigger just seems a little heavy. I have owned a 629,a 66 and many other guns over the years and have not owned a gun with this much trigger pull and the spring kit just seem to bring it down to a tolerable level. I only wish I had back some of the gun's I have owned especially my 629.
 
IMO It's statements like this that can make some new members feel unwelcome.

Why is getting a spring kit wussing out? That's like someone that doesn't mind upgrading there gun saying you're a wuss if you don't have the tolerance for risk to do any work to your gun. The facts are you can safely lighten the trigger on a SD/Sigma. It is still far from a hair trigger. If someone would like a little lighter trigger, it can be done far cheaper than selling your gun and buying a M&P (many people are on a tight budget). This is the only enthusiast forum I've seen that seems to be anti-modding.




Look it is what it is.

When you picked out the gun at the LGS it had the 8# trigger. In the car ride home it had the 8# trigger. When you got it home it still had the 8# trigger. It wasn't a 5# trigger at the LGS, and then you got home and it's magically 8#.

So I applaud the OP for making the effort to learn the 8# trigger before buying a spring kit.

I could be one of the ones around here that condemn any and all gun modifications, but I don't. I have owned one of the most heavily modified Sigmas that I have ever seen. I mastered the 12# Sigma trigger before making any mods. So you can't say I am against owning a budget gun or an Apex kit. I just don't condone a first time gun owner or a "Newbie" taking his new gun to the and after 1 box of ammo and saying. "The trigger is to much I need to modify it to be acurite."

The thing I think some of us need to realize about new members is. Nor you or I know the level of their shooting or mechanical ability. Not everyone is a responsible gun owner. Not everyone gets any kind of training before buying a gun. Some people mess with things they shouldn't. New shooters / gun owner don't need to be "garage gunsmiths".


Now if a new shooter wants to take his gun to a real Gunsmith to make some improvements I'm ok with that. It doesn't take much to make a gun malfunction or unreliable. I can't count how many posts have come through here just since I have been here. Where someone has tried to make an "improvement" and has screwed something up in the process.

Now we can play the what if game.
What if they had fired it and it hurt them.
What if they needed it to defend themselves and it goes click not bang.
You get the idea.

You speak of "new members" which ones are we speaking of? The 1 post wonders, or the ones that come to be a part of the S&W forum. I don't mind giving anyone help or advice. I'll tell you anything and everything that I know about a gun. I'm not saying I know it all or that I am a gunsmith.

I'm saying I not going to tell the guy that just bought his first gun yesterday how to modify his gun.

It seems you don't care if new shooters or members learn the fundamentals of gun ownership. There is this mentality of no need to teach and learn just modify it or try to make it what it's not or what it wasn't intended to have from the factory. If that is what you want to do that is fine. I just don't believe that is the way to go about it around here.
 
Look it is what it is.....

I can somewhat agree with most of that post. For a new shooter the $25 would be better spent on ammo and hopefully they have someone more experienced to teach them. AS far as installing a spring kit, IMO anyone with any mechanical aptitude can do it and if you look at my other post I always say TEST it before relying on it to save your life. I didn't know about your modded Sigma (do you have a build thread???), but there are members here that are strictly anti-modding. As for having an 8# at the store and so on, yes it did, but in my case I had already done the research on lightening the trigger on the SD and the Ruger P95 that I was looking at. My wife is a Breast cancer survivor and has trouble with pulling a heavy trigger to even fire a a lot of guns. I liked the SA trigger of the P95, but my wife couldn't pull the trigger DA or cock the hammer, so my choice was the SD and lighten the trigger to make it as easy as possible for her to handle. I'm on a tight budge so the SD and a spring kit was the best option for us.
 
I can somewhat agree with most of that post. For a new shooter the $25 would be better spent on ammo and hopefully they have someone more experienced to teach them. AS far as installing a spring kit, IMO anyone with any mechanical aptitude can do it and if you look at my other post I always say TEST it before relying on it to save your life. I didn't know about your modded Sigma (do you have a build thread???), but there are members here that are strictly anti-modding. As for having an 8# at the store and so on, yes it did, but in my case I had already done the research on lightening the trigger on the SD and the Ruger P95 that I was looking at. My wife is a Breast cancer survivor and has trouble with pulling a heavy trigger to even fire a a lot of guns. I liked the SA trigger of the P95, but my wife couldn't pull the trigger DA or cock the hammer, so my choice was the SD and lighten the trigger to make it as easy as possible for her to handle. I'm on a tight budge so the SD and a spring kit was the best option for us.


I get it, don't think I don't.

Most of my mods were done before I joined this forum. I know lots of people with "mechanical ability". Does that mean I would give them my gun to mod? Hell no! Most of the members here you can't tell if they are man, woman, or child, so how can you judge their mechanical ability?

Now you say test before reley on it, but what says they see you saying that. It is clear that a lot of people come here and ask 1 question and they are gone again. They don't use the search here. This is why we have 20 threads about spring kits, 20 threads on guide rods, and 20 threads on "low and left".

I am happy to here your wife is still with us. That's outstanding, and I totally understand her having trouble with the trigger, and slide. My wife also has trouble in those areas. She carries a DAO revolver. I understand being on a budget also. IMO getting your wife a used glock would have been a better choice. Here's why, and keep in my I don't like or own a glock, but here's why. The glock is very close in function to the SD line, the trigger is shorter and lighter, and there are companies out there that make "charging handles" or "slide racking knobs". Glock is the only gun I have seen these for, and they are for disabled or persons that have trouble racking the slide. Now just because I don't want a glock doesn't mean that if my wife found a glock to be a better choice for her that I wouldn't get her one. I would sell or trade one of my guns in a second for her to have what is best for her to defend herself or our family. A used glock can be had in the $400s not much more than you have in the SD. That is just my opinion and not saying you went wrong with buying the SD.


As for a build thread of my Sigma I think one of my first post has the majority of it. I have a lot of other posts of things I have done over time. In the end I traded my Sigma straight up for a nice gently used Taurus 1911. I don't know about you, but that says something to me. As in it's the average Sigma.

Please remember my main point is that I don't agree with a new shooter coming in and saying. "Oh I can't pull the trigger" and someone saying "oh all you need is to put a spring kit in it". No that is not the answer to a new shooter.


To the OP please excuse us for jacking your thread.


Short Bus
If you would like to continue this debate lets open our own thread. You can put my screen name as the title if you like.
 
Thanks for all the replies. I dont really have a problem with a heavy trigger as long as it is consistent. If its the same every time im happy. I've always been of the mindset of getting the basics down first. I could have a Ferrari but that wont necessarily make me a better driver. :)
 
I just read this whole post start to finish lol kinda makes me glad i joined this site bout an hour ago. You guys sound like a bunch of to the point kinda fellas. learn the basics 1st then shoot shoot shoot, and shoot some more. then if your qualified.... modify. just remember you got that gun to save yours and your loved ones life. you should spend as much time as you can with it!
 
Thanks for all the replies. I dont really have a problem with a heavy trigger as long as it is consistent. If its the same every time im happy. I've always been of the mindset of getting the basics down first. I could have a Ferrari but that wont necessarily make me a better driver. :)

when I first shot my 40 VE it was pretty much the same and I really thought the trigger pull was to blame, but after a few practice rounds I tear the bulls eye out with the 1st mag at 15 yards.

I tell you what will help a lot, go buy a airweight or a snubby and fire in DA only for a few sessions then go for a session with your 40VE that makes the 40VE's trigger seem like it's about 2 pounds LOL.
 
That is a great improvement

You should be proud. I'm trying to get used to a 3rd gen DAO after shooting a 686 in single action. It took me a couple of mags then things started looking better. Practice Learn Practice Learn Practice Learn
 
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