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Skip Sackett
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Skip, I'm going casting. Firing up the furnace right now....!
It's time to cast some .401" 180gr HP bullets to be loaded up for some more practice ammo for the bedside M&P 40c to supplement the few fully loaded mags with the same ammo.
It's time to make more of these!!!!!
Looking GOOD Bob!
blujax,
Dude, you are right on but, friend, YOU ARE A MESS! hahahahaha
Maximumbob54
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I am thinking if the manure hits the fan you are not going to be able to defend a house in a densely populated place regardless. To save you and yours you are going to have to bug out and leave most of that heavy ammo behind in lieu of survival gear in the woods. The only way 5000 rounds of ammo is going to do you much good is if you have the planning and stockpile it someplace where no one is likely to look. I would probably keep a couple of pistols with a hundred rounds of ammo for personal protection but might not even carry any other powder burner. I would carry my magnum air rifle and 1000 pellets as it would not attract unwanted attention.
jwk
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Skip,
Any professional that you have to hire to do something for you is by stretching the definition, a mercenary. You're paying someone to take care of a problem or do something that you either can't or won't fix for yourself. I find it amazing that folks balk at paying a lawyer when they don't think twice of paying a mechanic, a doctor, an engineer, a carpenter, or any other person doing work for you who has specialized skill that they have gained by years of hard work, education, training and experience.
Next, the legal or justice system was never intended to run on common sense. The reason for that is that common sense really isn't common and what makes sense to one person doesn't make sense to someone else. If you love the common sense argument, then you probably love the "common sense" arguments that you don't need a 30 round magazine for your AR15 to go hunting or that we need more background checks. To the folks arguing for those things that is common sense even though folks like you and me realize that is bullcrap. Do you want them deciding what is common sense when you are the guy on trial? I don't think so. What laws and a justice system are intended to do is supply a set of rules that are supposed to be the same for everyone across the board so that you can have predictability on issues involving law. While I agree that it doesn't always work out the way that one might like it to do, hating lawyers because of it is like hating doctors because despite the doctor's best efforts someone doesn't get well or the doc can't fix their busted back or even worse, someone you care about dies before you were ready to say goodbye to them.
The American justice system and jury trials are the worst way to run a justice system other than everyone other one in the world known to man. If you think another country has a better system, I'd like to hear about it. If you read the other 9 of the big 10 amendments to the Constitution, I'll think you will see that there are a couple of them preserving your rights to a trial where your right to own a firearm was only covered by one. I think that says that the founders considered trials to be a very important right. I'll also point out that the recent cases that conclusively established that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right rather than a collective right (ie the militia argument) were won by lawyers arguing for their clients. Those lawyers didn't handle those cases out of the goodness of their hearts, they were paid to do the work. They earned every dime of their fees and they were substantial. All of us gun owners should realize that.
Now back to the point - Is there a legal reason why you shouldn't use handloads? I think so based upon my analysis of the evidence and procedure rules that cases are handled under here in Texas where I practice law. I can see problems happening under certain situations. Personally knowing that issue, I choice to avoid the potential problem by not loading my carry gun with handloads. Is that reason enough for you to make a decision to either use handloads or not use handloads in your defense weapons? That is a decision that each person needs to make based upon fact, not opinion. While that is a decision that each person needs to make for himself, what burns my butt about the argument is that folks with no qualification to give the advice routinely tell people that there is no legal reason not to do so. That is not only giving legal advice without a license to do so but also telling a lie to someone who asked your advice. I don't think that is right. If you want to give the advice be fair about it and make sure that you understand the issues and present both sides.
Finally if the insurance you are talking about is "PrePaid Legal" I quit accepting that from potential clients a long time ago. Folks expected it to cover a whole lot more than it does and I had to be the one to tell the client that their insurance wasn't paying a whole lot of my bill like they thought it would. They would get mad at me because they bought something that in actuality didn't do what had been implied to them that it would. I would look very hard at any pre-paid legal program before you get the warm fuzzies over it. I'd suggest that you get to know a local lawyer so that you have someone to call if you ever need him. You might also spend an hour's worth of his time getting him to educate you on what firearm's law in your jurisdiction really is. That will be money better spent than any pre-paid legal insurance plan.
Any professional that you have to hire to do something for you is by stretching the definition, a mercenary. You're paying someone to take care of a problem or do something that you either can't or won't fix for yourself. I find it amazing that folks balk at paying a lawyer when they don't think twice of paying a mechanic, a doctor, an engineer, a carpenter, or any other person doing work for you who has specialized skill that they have gained by years of hard work, education, training and experience.
Next, the legal or justice system was never intended to run on common sense. The reason for that is that common sense really isn't common and what makes sense to one person doesn't make sense to someone else. If you love the common sense argument, then you probably love the "common sense" arguments that you don't need a 30 round magazine for your AR15 to go hunting or that we need more background checks. To the folks arguing for those things that is common sense even though folks like you and me realize that is bullcrap. Do you want them deciding what is common sense when you are the guy on trial? I don't think so. What laws and a justice system are intended to do is supply a set of rules that are supposed to be the same for everyone across the board so that you can have predictability on issues involving law. While I agree that it doesn't always work out the way that one might like it to do, hating lawyers because of it is like hating doctors because despite the doctor's best efforts someone doesn't get well or the doc can't fix their busted back or even worse, someone you care about dies before you were ready to say goodbye to them.
The American justice system and jury trials are the worst way to run a justice system other than everyone other one in the world known to man. If you think another country has a better system, I'd like to hear about it. If you read the other 9 of the big 10 amendments to the Constitution, I'll think you will see that there are a couple of them preserving your rights to a trial where your right to own a firearm was only covered by one. I think that says that the founders considered trials to be a very important right. I'll also point out that the recent cases that conclusively established that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right rather than a collective right (ie the militia argument) were won by lawyers arguing for their clients. Those lawyers didn't handle those cases out of the goodness of their hearts, they were paid to do the work. They earned every dime of their fees and they were substantial. All of us gun owners should realize that.
Now back to the point - Is there a legal reason why you shouldn't use handloads? I think so based upon my analysis of the evidence and procedure rules that cases are handled under here in Texas where I practice law. I can see problems happening under certain situations. Personally knowing that issue, I choice to avoid the potential problem by not loading my carry gun with handloads. Is that reason enough for you to make a decision to either use handloads or not use handloads in your defense weapons? That is a decision that each person needs to make based upon fact, not opinion. While that is a decision that each person needs to make for himself, what burns my butt about the argument is that folks with no qualification to give the advice routinely tell people that there is no legal reason not to do so. That is not only giving legal advice without a license to do so but also telling a lie to someone who asked your advice. I don't think that is right. If you want to give the advice be fair about it and make sure that you understand the issues and present both sides.
Finally if the insurance you are talking about is "PrePaid Legal" I quit accepting that from potential clients a long time ago. Folks expected it to cover a whole lot more than it does and I had to be the one to tell the client that their insurance wasn't paying a whole lot of my bill like they thought it would. They would get mad at me because they bought something that in actuality didn't do what had been implied to them that it would. I would look very hard at any pre-paid legal program before you get the warm fuzzies over it. I'd suggest that you get to know a local lawyer so that you have someone to call if you ever need him. You might also spend an hour's worth of his time getting him to educate you on what firearm's law in your jurisdiction really is. That will be money better spent than any pre-paid legal insurance plan.
jwk
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Shunkhome - I agree with your thoughts on how much ammo you can carry on your back being an issue. I've never thought about substituting an air rifle for my choice which is a .22LR. 22LR ammo weighs next to nothing and you can carry a lot of it. It isn't what I would want in a gunfight but in that scenario (bug out time) you're trying to avoid gunfights.
If you have to hunt to eat, is there a pump up air rifle that will drop a deer?
If you have to hunt to eat, is there a pump up air rifle that will drop a deer?
Skip Sackett
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Funny, coming from a lawyer. Are you really going to try to lecture me about lying? REALLY? Any legal advice I give is this, and, you can read it above: Learn your local laws on deadly force and firearms.
Hypocritical is not strong enough of a word to explain a lawyer that is paid to tell half truths, lie on a regular basis and get paid for it, omit things that might hurt their client from being brought to light, that then tells an ordinary citizen that should they give their opinion, and clearly state it as such, is lying!
If it wasn't so sad, I'd be doing this:
Or this:
Or this!:
Last but not least, THIS!:
Hypocritical is not strong enough of a word to explain a lawyer that is paid to tell half truths, lie on a regular basis and get paid for it, omit things that might hurt their client from being brought to light, that then tells an ordinary citizen that should they give their opinion, and clearly state it as such, is lying!
If it wasn't so sad, I'd be doing this:
Or this:
Or this!:
Last but not least, THIS!:
jwk
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Skip, the one time a lawyer called me a liar in court, I asked the court for a recess to take him out on the parking lot to have a serious discussion. I don't lie in court or to clients or to anyone else.
Next, you are right that I am lecturing you about lieing. If you or anyone else tells someone that there aren't legal issues with using handloads in a carry gun, you are lieing, plain and simple. Go back and read your posts and see if the shoe fits.
I'll put the honesty of lawyers as a whole against that of any other profession. We are the only profession that can be sanctioned for lieing which happens more often than you realize. Maybe it should happen more often but I'll guarantee that there is a lot more dishonesty in any other profession than the legal profession.
Finally it is my job to put my clients' best foot forward in a court case. It is an absolute no no and in fact a crime to knowingly let a client lie on a witness stand or to lie yourself. I've fired clients that wouldn't tell the truth and withdrew from representation of them. Most lawyers I know have done the same on one or more occasions.
Jim Keene
Next, you are right that I am lecturing you about lieing. If you or anyone else tells someone that there aren't legal issues with using handloads in a carry gun, you are lieing, plain and simple. Go back and read your posts and see if the shoe fits.
I'll put the honesty of lawyers as a whole against that of any other profession. We are the only profession that can be sanctioned for lieing which happens more often than you realize. Maybe it should happen more often but I'll guarantee that there is a lot more dishonesty in any other profession than the legal profession.
Finally it is my job to put my clients' best foot forward in a court case. It is an absolute no no and in fact a crime to knowingly let a client lie on a witness stand or to lie yourself. I've fired clients that wouldn't tell the truth and withdrew from representation of them. Most lawyers I know have done the same on one or more occasions.
Jim Keene
Skip Sackett
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Funny, coming from a lawyer. Are you really going to try to lecture me about lying? REALLY? Any legal advice I give is this, and, you can read it above: Learn your local laws on deadly force and firearms.
Hypocritical is not strong enough of a word to explain a lawyer that is paid to tell half truths, lie on a regular basis and get paid for it, omit things that might hurt their client from being brought to light, that then tells an ordinary citizen that should they give their opinion, and clearly state it as such, is lying!
If it wasn't so sad, I'd be doing this:
Or this:
Or this!:
Last but not least, THIS!:
I have to repost this!
Skip Sackett
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Don't see it there.
And the rest is just bantering with you and agreeing with friends over other stuff.
I stand by my statements, and I have been consistent, and, there is no lie in what I am saying: In my area, there are no written laws about the use of handloads for use in a personal defense weapon, none. I am not going to let someone scare me into anything as it is my right to do as I please in this area that has no illegal connotations to it. It is completely lawful to do, in my local, in my state.
p.s. This was an interesting read.
http://lawyerist.com/lawyers-who-lie-to-themselves-and-their-clients/
From: "Lawyerist"
"We provide advice on law firm marketing, practice management, technology, career development, law school success, legal ethics, and how to start a law practice."
"Lawyerist is the #1 law practice blog. We help lawyers find the tools to improve their practices, we lead a conversation about law practice, and we have built the largest online community of lawyers, the Lawyerist LAB.
Lawyerist is written by a bunch of different people. Some are practicing lawyers, some are former practicing lawyers who are now doing other things related to law practice, and one or two aren't lawyers at all. Because lawyers don't know everything."
I found that last part particularly refreshing!
Maximumbob54
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Guess I will have to abandon this:
No way I can tote this around.
No way to hide it either.
I'm doomed.
Do some of you guys even have a clue what you are talking about?
No way to say that and not sound rude but really???
No way I can tote this around.
No way to hide it either.
I'm doomed.
Do some of you guys even have a clue what you are talking about?
No way to say that and not sound rude but really???
jwk
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Skip,
Keep chanting your mantra that there isn't a statute against carrying a handload. That isn't the issue.
I never claimed that there was such a statute. I don't know of any one discussing the subject that has unless they were being specific about New Jersey's no HP law. I have pointed out how under some certain circumstances it could give a person involved in a shooting a problem with evidence and procedure issues and that should be considered in making your decision. I even provided some information on a case where the cartridge fired that killed the lady involved being a handload was at issue. I also tried to explain in layman's terms what the real issue is rather the perceived **** that has been around for years about claims that someone was trying to make their bullets more deadly.
Now if someone asks you directly or posts to a forum that you are a member of a question about using handloads for personal defense, keep giving your weaselly answer if that is that is the kind of guy you are. Technically you're telling the truth but you're being a weasel ignoring matters that aren't statutory but that could hang you in the wrong circumstances. You know about the Byas case and the problems caused by a handload in that situation. While that wasn't a self defense shooting, the issue can be the same type issue in a self defense context. By being weaselly, you aren't doing anyone any favors and you're giving someone wrong information that could cause them a problem. There is nothing wrong with stating your opinions and preferences about quality of ammo, what works best, etc but when you start talking about legal issues and get weaselly with your answers that is just wrong. When you are pinned down about that, your response is to start insulting my profession. What should I expect out of a weasel? Prove him wrong and he resorts to name calling.
Frankly, if that is the kind of guy you are, you might want to wipe that Marine Corp emblem off your banner because you aren't being a credit to them. I've seen Marines with a lot of problems at one time or another but they seemed like good men to me. You're the first one that I have ever seen that was weaselly and I have no respect for that.
Jim Keene
Keep chanting your mantra that there isn't a statute against carrying a handload. That isn't the issue.
I never claimed that there was such a statute. I don't know of any one discussing the subject that has unless they were being specific about New Jersey's no HP law. I have pointed out how under some certain circumstances it could give a person involved in a shooting a problem with evidence and procedure issues and that should be considered in making your decision. I even provided some information on a case where the cartridge fired that killed the lady involved being a handload was at issue. I also tried to explain in layman's terms what the real issue is rather the perceived **** that has been around for years about claims that someone was trying to make their bullets more deadly.
Now if someone asks you directly or posts to a forum that you are a member of a question about using handloads for personal defense, keep giving your weaselly answer if that is that is the kind of guy you are. Technically you're telling the truth but you're being a weasel ignoring matters that aren't statutory but that could hang you in the wrong circumstances. You know about the Byas case and the problems caused by a handload in that situation. While that wasn't a self defense shooting, the issue can be the same type issue in a self defense context. By being weaselly, you aren't doing anyone any favors and you're giving someone wrong information that could cause them a problem. There is nothing wrong with stating your opinions and preferences about quality of ammo, what works best, etc but when you start talking about legal issues and get weaselly with your answers that is just wrong. When you are pinned down about that, your response is to start insulting my profession. What should I expect out of a weasel? Prove him wrong and he resorts to name calling.
Frankly, if that is the kind of guy you are, you might want to wipe that Marine Corp emblem off your banner because you aren't being a credit to them. I've seen Marines with a lot of problems at one time or another but they seemed like good men to me. You're the first one that I have ever seen that was weaselly and I have no respect for that.
Jim Keene
Which brings us back to the beginning. The original question concerns circumstances surrounding using hand loads for self defense.
Not for murder.
Not for suicide.
For self defense.
And there has not been any evidence presented indicating that the use of hand loads has ever had an impact much less been brought up in a self defense case. The closest you have come is using the Byas case as a parallel then saying "..and if you change the facts..."
I am not looking for a made up scenario where someone substitutes make believe for facts.
I am asking for evidence where this has ever happened.
And in countless threads,
this.
has.
never.
happened.
jwk
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Blujax, The problems in the Byas case (which was a murder v a suicide case) are exactly the same ones you could run into a case involving fighting over a gun (your story) versus a lot more distance between the shooter and the dead guy. If you can't understand that or don't want to see the logic in it, that is your decision.
If in your mind that means that there isn't a case because it doesn't fit your definition of being exactly the same so it doesn't count, I'm not going to argue with you further about the issue because frankly, you're obviously either:
1) too dense to understand the problem;
2) too intellectually dishonest to admit that you understand the situation but choose to ignore it; or
3) just so stuck on your handloads just have to be better and you're going to ignore any comments to the contrary.
I will point out with that type logic, you would never make it through law school or any other type of educational field requiring something other than an answer involving only numbers and decimal points.
Stick your fingers in your ears and chant as loud as you can "there isn't a case" if it makes you feel better. You can stand right next to the other fool who is chanting "there isn't a law". While you guys continue doing that, I'll explain the problem to folks, most of whom get it and go from there.
If in your mind that means that there isn't a case because it doesn't fit your definition of being exactly the same so it doesn't count, I'm not going to argue with you further about the issue because frankly, you're obviously either:
1) too dense to understand the problem;
2) too intellectually dishonest to admit that you understand the situation but choose to ignore it; or
3) just so stuck on your handloads just have to be better and you're going to ignore any comments to the contrary.
I will point out with that type logic, you would never make it through law school or any other type of educational field requiring something other than an answer involving only numbers and decimal points.
Stick your fingers in your ears and chant as loud as you can "there isn't a case" if it makes you feel better. You can stand right next to the other fool who is chanting "there isn't a law". While you guys continue doing that, I'll explain the problem to folks, most of whom get it and go from there.
Skip Sackett
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Jim, using that same logic, I have an uncle that has the same last name as you. He is one of the best men I have ever known and you sir, are a disgrace to his name. I think that you should stop spouting your garbage and change your name so you quit disgracing his.
The whole point of the matter is truth. The truth is, if you plan on murdering someone, in cold blood, because of a fight you had with them, a rough and rocky marriage with years of betrayal and mind altering events over many years, and use your own handloads to do it, you could end up in trouble.
Know your state's laws on self defense, deadly force, castle doctrine and all the other things that could pertain to you if God forbid you shoot someone in self defense. If it is a good shoot, and it should be if you play by those rules, what you have in the gun, ain't gonna matter, Jim, you said so yourself. I am repeating what you are saying.
Do as you want, that is what I plan on doing. At this point, the liberals haven't taken that away from any of us....
And using your "logic" one should not defend themselves at all because there may be a court case involved. Factual evidence has shown that when people defend themselves, there may be legal consequences and they must defend themselves again - in court. Not one court case where the question was one of self defense has ever contained as a factor the use of hand loads. If the facts shown in the past do not deter me from defending myself, legally and to the best of my ability, why would some hypothetical that has never happened have any impact on my decisions?
I am not advocating that anyone do as I do but when fairy tales are spread I do ask for data. Evidence. Facts. You have provided none of the above. You have provided what-if's, scare tactics, and bogeymen.
And when you lowered yourself to hurling insults and name-calling several comments back I should have done this at that time.
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Skip Sackett
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jwk said:
WOW!
I will say this though: "I'd much rather have blujax01 standing beside me over ANY lawyer just about any day of the week."
There is one exception to that statement.
In my little neck of the woods it snows & people have driveways, sidewalks, etc. to shovel/snow removal. In this day & age of anyone can sue anyone for anything. The stinkin lawyers got it sooooo twisted up that no one will shovel their sidewalks anymore. The lawyers argument was that if I shovel my sidewalk I’m not an expert & if anyone slips/falls on that sidewalk it will be due to my neglance because I don’t know what I’m doing. The moral of the story:
No one in our town shovels their sidewalk for fear of being sued (if I don’t shovel then whoever walks on that sidewalk should be able to see the danger & act accordingly). So now everyone who is walking just walks down the plowed streets stopping/blocking traffic. And everyone knows what will happen if a motorist hits a pedestrian.
Stinkin lawyers!!!!
In any lawyers eyes no one is an expert and that is their argument/shoe in for any case. And I mean anything from the possible personal injury that the grease did to my body 40 years later from when I got my hands dirty putting the chain on my bike back on when I was a kid to why the store owner is responsible for my DUI because they sold me that 12 pack & should of know I’d drink it.
Stinkin lawyers!!!!
Well in this day & age I’m not an expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn a couple of times & learned that the idiots that bring these lawsuits on aren’t experts either. Their nothing more than stinkin lawyers & I fight fire with fire. I have hired a stinkin lawyer in the past to go after another stinkin lawyer (it reminded me of a Tijuana chicken fight/a lot of cluckin & kickin goin on).
Everyone should have the mentality that they are going to go after any of these stinkin lawyers, prosecutors, LEO’s or anyone else with another stinkin lawyer. People will find that they will easily win these types of cases & it will put an end to this stupid stinkin lawyer fueled urban legend.
Me, if I or my misses ever have to use deadly force we are going to use the most devastating, destructive bullet I can cast, swage, alter, manipulate, create. If the stinkin lawyers want to bring in an expert, then so be it. I’ll gladly tell them that I made that bullet to be the most destructive thing I could make, I loaded it with the strongest/hottest powder I could find to make it the most powerful bullet in the whole wide world. Because I made that bullet for self-defense to counter any deadly attacks on myself & anyone else I cared to protect from the deadly force that was being used upon them or myself. In my inexperienced mind (non-expert) the quicker I can dispatch/end the deadly force being inflicted upon someone, the better. And if their “expert” can give any pointers on how to make something hotter/hit harder/ or deadlier design than what I’m using, I’m all ears. Moreover, I don’t care if they lived or died, my sole intend was to stop the deadly or what I perceived as deadly force as quickly as I possibly could. Also I’m not a trained for anything in the medical field (that stinkin lawyer thing & I’m not an expert so don’t do it), so 1, I can’t clearly say what deadly force actually is because I’m not a trained professional & 2, I stood by & watched them bleed out. Again I’m not an expert didn’t want no stinkin lawyer suing me because I did something wrong trying to save their life after I shot them.
On a side note, two of my favorite homemade SD bullets:
The concave X’d hp for the 38 snub nose (upright). And the (sideways) anti- personal/anti-zombie/anti- educated zombie (stinkin lawyer) “screw you” bullet for the 357.
No one in our town shovels their sidewalk for fear of being sued (if I don’t shovel then whoever walks on that sidewalk should be able to see the danger & act accordingly). So now everyone who is walking just walks down the plowed streets stopping/blocking traffic. And everyone knows what will happen if a motorist hits a pedestrian.
Stinkin lawyers!!!!
In any lawyers eyes no one is an expert and that is their argument/shoe in for any case. And I mean anything from the possible personal injury that the grease did to my body 40 years later from when I got my hands dirty putting the chain on my bike back on when I was a kid to why the store owner is responsible for my DUI because they sold me that 12 pack & should of know I’d drink it.
Stinkin lawyers!!!!
Well in this day & age I’m not an expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn a couple of times & learned that the idiots that bring these lawsuits on aren’t experts either. Their nothing more than stinkin lawyers & I fight fire with fire. I have hired a stinkin lawyer in the past to go after another stinkin lawyer (it reminded me of a Tijuana chicken fight/a lot of cluckin & kickin goin on).
Everyone should have the mentality that they are going to go after any of these stinkin lawyers, prosecutors, LEO’s or anyone else with another stinkin lawyer. People will find that they will easily win these types of cases & it will put an end to this stupid stinkin lawyer fueled urban legend.
Me, if I or my misses ever have to use deadly force we are going to use the most devastating, destructive bullet I can cast, swage, alter, manipulate, create. If the stinkin lawyers want to bring in an expert, then so be it. I’ll gladly tell them that I made that bullet to be the most destructive thing I could make, I loaded it with the strongest/hottest powder I could find to make it the most powerful bullet in the whole wide world. Because I made that bullet for self-defense to counter any deadly attacks on myself & anyone else I cared to protect from the deadly force that was being used upon them or myself. In my inexperienced mind (non-expert) the quicker I can dispatch/end the deadly force being inflicted upon someone, the better. And if their “expert” can give any pointers on how to make something hotter/hit harder/ or deadlier design than what I’m using, I’m all ears. Moreover, I don’t care if they lived or died, my sole intend was to stop the deadly or what I perceived as deadly force as quickly as I possibly could. Also I’m not a trained for anything in the medical field (that stinkin lawyer thing & I’m not an expert so don’t do it), so 1, I can’t clearly say what deadly force actually is because I’m not a trained professional & 2, I stood by & watched them bleed out. Again I’m not an expert didn’t want no stinkin lawyer suing me because I did something wrong trying to save their life after I shot them.
On a side note, two of my favorite homemade SD bullets:
The concave X’d hp for the 38 snub nose (upright). And the (sideways) anti- personal/anti-zombie/anti- educated zombie (stinkin lawyer) “screw you” bullet for the 357.
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Forrest r, if you ever make your way to Jax, FL then I owe you a beer and a shot of your choice. That's the best post I've red in some time now.
Skip Sackett
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Forrest r,
Don't hold back friend. Tell us how you REALLY feel! hahahahaha
ROFL!
Too good!
Don't hold back friend. Tell us how you REALLY feel! hahahahaha
ROFL!
Too good!
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