9MM Shield slide issue

[Lost Lake]

Of all my semi-autos, only my three Shields will hang out of battery. And each one does it so it must be a design flaw.

I can't get any of my other M&P's to do it, even when I ride the slide, pull the slide open an 1/8", nothing will make them stay OOB.

None of my third gens do it.

But my Shields all work like they should, I just have to be sure the slide is forward when I present the gun.

As far as having any gun ever stay OOB when firing, I have a 15-22 that still does it after coming back from S&W for firing OOB. So not only did it hang OOB, it would fire in that position and blow debris out of the chamber.

Now it doesn't fire OOB, but because it keeps hanging up, it just doesn't fire at all.

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[Rastoff]

Wrong. Some guns can do this after a round is fired.

I don't know what you are saying is wrong, but this doesn't help the OP at all.

Interesting, do you have first hand experience with this happening? Any youtube videos of this occuring or is this all second hand information? First I've heard of a Shield ever doing this when firing.

Actually, I do have first hand knowledge of a gun hanging out of battery after being fired, but not with an M&P.

I bought a Colt Delta Elite once. At least once on every magazine, it would hang up just out of battery. The slide would stay back about 1/8". A little bump on the back and it would go into battery and fire. Alas, that was years ago. If I knew then what I know now I probably could have fixed it. Since I didn't, I ended up returning it.

 

[DocSunShine]

I bought a Colt Delta Elite once. At least once on every magazine, it would hang up just out of battery. The slide would stay back about 1/8". A little bump on the back and it would go into battery and fire. Alas, that was years ago. If I knew then what I know now I probably could have fixed it. Since I didn't, I ended up returning it.

I'm well aware it can happen, for a while Glock 30s were having issues with failure to return to battery. What I'm not aware of is any wide spread problems with the Shield having failure to return to battery issues, although I do know that some shields can be prone to not going back into battery if not racked correctly. Easy fix is to just push it forward if it happens, because from my observations it doesn't happen shooting, nor have I heard of any reports of it happening.

 

[Rastoff]

Easy fix is to just push it forward if it happens, because from my observations it doesn't happen shooting, nor have I heard of any reports of it happening.

Yep, that's my experience as well. Further, even if you have the issue while racking the slide, it goes away after a short period of use.

I had that issue with my .45 and now I can't make it stop short of fully closed even if I try.

I think all guns should work perfectly right out of the box. Alas, that is not always the case with inexpensive guns like the M&P series.

 

[DocSunShine]

Yep, that's my experience as well. Further, even if you have the issue while racking the slide, it goes away after a short period of use.

I had that issue with my .45 and now I can't make it stop short of fully closed even if I try.

I think all guns should work perfectly right out of the box. Alas, that is not always the case with inexpensive guns like the M&P series.

M&Ps might not be expensive guns, but in my experience they're damn fine guns, accurate enough, durable and reliable as I could wish for. Even H&Ks can have problems and I'd rank H&K the company with the highest quality duty/defense handguns... Being that H&K no longer makes a striker fired handgun, I'll pass on them. I've found Glocks have more out of the box issues than M&Ps, by a fairly wide margin, which is why I no longer shoot them.

As far as I'm concerned a gun that sometimes doesn't go right into battery when new when not racked correctly, but goes into battery when fired is a complete non-issue.

 

[Rastoff]

I may not understand why you'd drop a company because they don't make a striker fired gun, but I agree with this:

As far as I'm concerned a gun that sometimes doesn't go right into battery when new when not racked correctly, but goes into battery when fired is a complete non-issue.

 

[DocSunShine]

I may not understand why you'd drop a company because they don't make a striker fired gun, but I agree with this:

I used to carry a USPc .45 but realized I was MUCH better shooting my Glock 19, I could never get used to the transition between DA/SA, very unnatural if you ask me. I despise manual safeties so cocked and locked was out of the question. I tried it and had frequent nightmares of squeezing my gun and it not going off when I needed it. I strongly considered LEM trigger, but after a little trigger time it's WAY different than striker fired and.

As you may be aware, H&K is in financial trouble, perhaps they should look at the Glock or S&W business model, providing customers what they want, moderately priced striker fired weapons of varying calibers and size. No doubt in my mind H&K's even with a higher price point would sell like hot cakes if they ever came out with striker fired polymer pistols, but I wouldn't count on it. Why they go after military sales when they're priced higher than everyone else is a damn mystery to me.

 

[bobnieder]

Try some "Boresnake Venom" lubricant. I used some on my Shield before my first range session. It had been stiff, and tending to hang, but, after field stripping and using a touch in each of the recommended lubrication spots, it cycles like silk now. Not one problem in over a hundred rounds at the range.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Let the slide slam forward full force when chambering a round.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Being that H&K no longer makes a striker fired handgun, I'll pass on them.

Actually, a hammer fired pistol is arguably more reliable in that it is more likely to fire a hard primer.

This is one reason the DAK trigger SIG and the LEM trigger HKs seem to get these federal contracts.

 

[Rastoff]

The H&K USP with the LEM trigger is one of the best pistol innovations in recent years. If I could get one I'd buy it in a heart beat.

 

[skip4309]

If it ain't broke fix it 'till it is......

 

[kodiakpb]

It could be either:

- Ammo issue
- RSA issue
- User issue: as in not power stroking the slide properly when chambering the first round.

I surmise it's the latter.

I just shot two brand new 9mm shields this afternoon and did not experience this phenomenon.

 

[DocSunShine]

Actually, a hammer fired pistol is arguably more reliable in that it is more likely to fire a hard primer.

This is one reason the DAK trigger SIG and the LEM trigger HKs seem to get these federal contracts.

I've yet to have a failure to fire from either a Glock or an M&P in many thousands of rounds. That "advantage" is theoretical and hammer fired comes with disadvantages that far out weight the theoretical advantage.

The H&K USP with the LEM trigger is one of the best pistol innovations in recent years. If I could get one I'd buy it in a heart beat.

I tried to like the LEM trigger, but the reality of it was I simply was not as good with it as I was with a striker fired trigger, so I decided to keep it simple. Every once in a while I think about buying an HK45 with an LEM/Match hybrid trigger to play around with, but I know what the result will be...

 

[nocents]

First time out with my Shield 9 I experienced the OOB condition until I quit candy assn. the rack.....after the first mag...no problem....I really do like "Slide Glide" grease and use it on all my semi-autos.....as far as the Shield is concerned.....it's a keeper....and my buddy that was with me who is anti S&W was duly impressed....AND....said he might "look around for a "cheap" 6906 after he shot mine

 

[Starwalker]

Any update from the OP on the Shield??? Have you put more rounds through it?

 

[Cokeman]

Sounds like user error to me. Rack the slide like a man and you wont ever have a problem. Think about how a round fires and the slide pushes back so fast you cant even see it. Try and imitate this and I guarantee you will not have an issue. My wife is bad about riding the slide and this would happen to her.

Wrong. Some guns can do this after a round is fired.

No you're wrong read the op post. He says it happens when you racks the slide.

I did read that. You said it had to be user error. I said that more guns than just Shields can fail to return to battery even when a round is fired and not just when racking the slide. You act like the OP is a wuss and needs to be a man. I say you are wrong.

Interesting, do you have first hand experience with this happening? Any youtube videos of this occuring or is this all second hand information? First I've heard of a Shield ever doing this when firing.

I have seen Kahrs do this. Mine did it when I first got it. To make it stop, I polished the inside of the chamber with a dry Dremil felt tip. It happens because something is snagging the round as it leaves the mag and enters the chamber. That plus the tremendous upward pressure of the mag spring pushing the next round against the bottom of the slide slows the slide enough to make it stop before it closes. This is something that breaking in the gun will usually take care of, especially with polishing and running the gun wet.

 

[rwsmith]

I need to slingshot...

When you rack the slide for that first round, how do you do it? Slingshot the slide? Press the slide stop?

I try to control the slide too much through the cycle. I should just pull back and let go.

 

[Rastoff]

I try to control the slide too much through the cycle. I should just pull back and let go.

Try this...

When you go to rack the slide, use an over hand grasp. Then, try to rip the slide off the back of the gun. When it gets as far as it will go, let your support hand continue all the way to your shooting hand shoulder. This method will eliminate the potential to ride the slide back a little.

 

[shieldowner1]

OP, did it ever get better after firing more rounds?
I got a shield 3 days ago and have the same problem. Put 150 rounds through it and it's still happening.