I guess that I have strong fingers, I have the MA compliant version and although I haven't measured it yet, it doesn't seem that bad. 
New M&P Shield trigger pull question
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Interesting all the variation in pull wt. My Shield is one of the first few out of the factory and it too had a very heavy pull 8#. Just the Apex sear alone got it to 5-3/4#. A minute with some 600 grit sandpaper cleaning up the machine marks on the trigger bar took out all the grittiness.
Smitty357
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I dunno about u guys, but I can pull my trigger on my Shield with my pinky finger without problems. Then again mine is one of the first ones built and i've been shooting mine almost every day.
Hi any idea what that part alone would run I know the kit is over 80 dollars, and would this in any way void my warrenty?? Thanks!!!
Tom j.
SMMAssociates
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Tom j.:
I'd grab the sear, sear spring, and the drop safety (can't recall what Apex calls it). The latter won't do much for the trigger "force", but may smooth things out a bit - IMHO, worth it.
(Actually, the kit is pretty much all of that plus a couple of springs
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Shouldn't be a warranty issue at all - just swap back in the S&W parts if it needs a trip back. (IMHO, other than a chance that the upgraded parts might end up on the bench back at S&W, I don't think a lot of techs would even notice.)
DO presume to remove the sear while the whole thing is in a plastic bag. Those springs go flying, along with a little bitty plunger. I managed to lose both of them back when S&W was using a micro-sized spring & plunger - Randy put in new ones when I sent the gun to Apex. I just found them the other night - after maybe three or four years....
(I have an RIA 1911 that uses a full length guide rod and what feels like a 30# spring! It's supposed to be something like 18#. I managed to lose the plug that holds the spring into the slide. After trying to order one, I ended up making one by cutting a BIG hole in the front of a spare. Didn't work.... But then I found the original plug hiding in a toolbox drawer nowhere near where it should have landed....)
Regards,
I'd grab the sear, sear spring, and the drop safety (can't recall what Apex calls it). The latter won't do much for the trigger "force", but may smooth things out a bit - IMHO, worth it.
(Actually, the kit is pretty much all of that plus a couple of springs
....)Shouldn't be a warranty issue at all - just swap back in the S&W parts if it needs a trip back. (IMHO, other than a chance that the upgraded parts might end up on the bench back at S&W, I don't think a lot of techs would even notice.)
DO presume to remove the sear while the whole thing is in a plastic bag. Those springs go flying, along with a little bitty plunger. I managed to lose both of them back when S&W was using a micro-sized spring & plunger - Randy put in new ones when I sent the gun to Apex. I just found them the other night - after maybe three or four years
....(I have an RIA 1911 that uses a full length guide rod and what feels like a 30# spring! It's supposed to be something like 18#. I managed to lose the plug that holds the spring into the slide. After trying to order one, I ended up making one by cutting a BIG hole in the front of a spare. Didn't work.... But then I found the original plug hiding in a toolbox drawer nowhere near where it should have landed....)
Regards,
I had another thread in July on the trigger pull issue with my .40 Shield. It was very inconsistent in both "roughness" and the trigger pull weight.
Took the advice of other posters and, first, polished all the contact points in the action--which did not really make much if any difference, and second bought and installed this: Apex Tactical Duty/Carry Action Enhancement Kit (AEK) S&W M&P Shield .
Since then the trigger pull is consistent and smooth, somewhat lighter such that I don't have to tug hard with the trigger finger to get it to function--the original inconsistent and unpredictably heavy pull weight affected let-off and therefore accuracy.
Took the advice of other posters and, first, polished all the contact points in the action--which did not really make much if any difference, and second bought and installed this: Apex Tactical Duty/Carry Action Enhancement Kit (AEK) S&W M&P Shield .
Since then the trigger pull is consistent and smooth, somewhat lighter such that I don't have to tug hard with the trigger finger to get it to function--the original inconsistent and unpredictably heavy pull weight affected let-off and therefore accuracy.
Tom j.:
I'd grab the sear, sear spring, and the drop safety (can't recall what Apex calls it). The latter won't do much for the trigger "force", but may smooth things out a bit - IMHO, worth it.
(Actually, the kit is pretty much all of that plus a couple of springs
Shouldn't be a warranty issue at all - just swap back in the S&W parts if it needs a trip back. (IMHO, other than a chance that the upgraded parts might end up on the bench back at S&W, I don't think a lot of techs would even notice.)
DO presume to remove the sear while the whole thing is in a plastic bag. Those springs go flying, along with a little bitty plunger. I managed to lose both of them back when S&W was using a micro-sized spring & plunger - Randy put in new ones when I sent the gun to Apex. I just found them the other night - after maybe three or four years
(I have an RIA 1911 that uses a full length guide rod and what feels like a 30# spring! It's supposed to be something like 18#. I managed to lose the plug that holds the spring into the slide. After trying to order one, I ended up making one by cutting a BIG hole in the front of a spare. Didn't work.... But then I found the original plug hiding in a toolbox drawer nowhere near where it should have landed....)
Regards,
Hay thanks again I'll defintly check that out any idea how much this might cost?
Tom
Hi guys just found this pdf on a M&P Trigger job from Burwell Guns this is actually for the standard size M&P but I was hoping someone knowledgeable could take a look and tell me if any if this would also apply to the Shield, seems like some good stuff here and not my money if any to get the job done if you do it yourself. Thanks
http://www.burwellguns.com/misc/M&Ptriggerjob.pdf
Tom
http://www.burwellguns.com/misc/M&Ptriggerjob.pdf
Tom
Brucenterry
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Yes, all M&P internals are the same, same sear, striker block so the triger job for FS will work on Shields. Polishing is easy and will make an improvement. If you have any reservations, research APEX Tactical and you can buy the Kit of modified parts and just install them. I did and I'm happy w/ the improvement on both my FS9 and Shield 9.
DeeBee
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I wish Apex would make a 5.5 sear. I don't want to put the whole kit in, and I don't want to just put the sear in, because that will lower tha pull to less than 4.5 which I don't want.
I have an M&P40C not a Shield. When took it out of the box I noticed a good 6.5 lb trigger pull along with some grittiness. I little polishing of the trigger bar took care of the grittiness. Don't take off too much material & use a very fine emery. Since I didn't have anything fine enough at first I experimented with a pencil eraser & that in itself made an improvement. I couple of swipes with the emery finished it off. Now it's nice & smooth & I didn't have to go through 500-1000 rounds to "break in the trigger bar".
I'm a long time 1911 shooter, and spoiled by their clean triggers, but needed a smaller thinner carry gun. I bought a 9mm Shield and it definitely fits the bill as a compact carry gun... except for the heavy trigger. I had the Apex sear, and USB installed along with a set of Ameriglo SW-451 night sights, and it is like a new gun. I kept the stock springs in the sear install, and trigger pull is a very acceptable 4#-10 oz. now. It's not too light for a carry gun but is much cleaner break now, with a smoother take up. I'd gladly do it again, and highly recommend the sear/USB change out.
Hay that would make mine the PERFECT carry gun!! I to find the stock trigger to heavy, but I LOVE everything else about the gun the looks I mean I haven't bought a Smith in a while because of the cost and sometimes the long wait. I was on a list for a year before I got my shield so I bought a Keltec PF9 just no comparison NONE in terms of quality the Smith looks like a custom made gun like Wilson Combact or something just perfect no flaws even feed theses rounds I had laying around that would jam everything else I had but they have feed flawlessly through the Shield.
Jetman how much did that upgrade cost you I was hoping I could avoid the 90 dollar price tag for the kit.
Tom j.
Curt31... to have Apex install the night sights, sear, and USB, and Next Day air shipping both ways from OH to CA was almost as much as the gun itself... but well worth it for a gun I carry, and my life could literally depend upon. It really transformed the Shield to the next level. I do have a Wilson Combat, so I understand your comparison, and the Shield is not quite that nice.... but easier to conceal..... and MUCH cheaper. If you're good with tools, and can do your own work, the $90 is a bargain, once you are done with your changes. For another $115 you can get a quality set of night sights too.
Say THANKS!! well maybe I'll have to spend the money you really have just about convinced me so you can't just buy the sear by itself I guess is that correct. You really make a compelling argument!!
Tom
patsfan1281
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so i am new to guns...why would MA require 10 lbs to pull when others don't? Is this why my buddy told me to get the apex kit? Is that basically a new trigger?
Hay jetman2 Your trigger pull is now in the high 4 pound reange?? Let me make sure I got it right you bascially just replaced the sear and stricker block and retained the stock springs. Thanks again really appreciate you helping!
Tom
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Because the law makers in MA are a bunch of liberal protectionist who believe that a heavy trigger keeps you from shooting people. All it does it make you miss your target. Keeping your finger off the trigger keeps the gun from firing...
SMMAssociates
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patsfan:
You've already heard why the heavy trigger pull weights exist....
It also help sell more ammunition. Cf: "Spray and Pray" techniques.
Apex has a couple of "new triggers" that really are triggers. What we're basically considering here is changes to other hardware that changes the pull weight and feel of the existing trigger action. You can add Apex's new triggers, too, if desired. One of them really changes how things work. I think the other is just a metal replacement. Some people don't like the trigger-based safety setup that S&W used. Personally, that's one of those "don't remove a manufacturer-supplied safety devices" issues, but for about any use but Self Defense, it may make sense.
Regards,
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