Veterans: The Oath We Swore

U.S. Army
2/1969 - 2/1972
Specialist 4
67A1F/67N2F - Doorgunner/Crewchief on CH47C Chinook helicopters.
Fort Ord Ca. - Basic
Fort Rucker - Acft. Maint. & DG school
RVN - 12/2/1969 - 12/4/1970. 213th Assault Support Helicopter Company (BlackCats), 11th Combat Aviation Battalion, 12th Aviation Group, 1st Aviation Brigade.
Germany - 421st Medivac Company, 7th Medical Brigade.
 
The Oath for officers is a bit different then the one the OP posted.



I took an oath ONLY to the Constitution. It's the last one I took and the one I honor.

US Army 1966-1969
1967 82nd Airborne Div
1967-68 2/502 Inf 101st Abn Div. RVN
68-69 67th MP Company Ft Devens Mass
69-72 USAR
73-78, Enlisted, AK ARNG
79-92 Commissioned AK ARNg
92- US Army Retired.

Just a side note: Next May my Grandson graduates from AR ROTC, I will have the pleasure of Pinning him with the same 2nd LT bar I was pinned with when I graduated from OCS. The same butter bar my minter was pinned with when he graduated OCS during the mid 60s and his minter was pinned with during the Korean War.

I can only hope his son follows.

Some of my proudest moments as an officer was to administer the oath when two of my sons and my wife re-enlisted, and administered the original oath to my youngest son when he enlisted.

Your point is well taken, Captain, and the original post has been edited to reflect the difference in the oath taken by officers. Thank you.
 
U.S. Army, 1961 - 1963
Field Command, Defense Atomic Support Agency
Special Weapons training, logistics and security

Arizona Army National Guard 1963 - 1966
158th Infantry Regiment "Bushmasters"

Honorably discharged from service as 1st LT, Infantry, 1968.

Proud to have served, and ever loyal to my oath as a new officer, which was to the Constitution, NOT to the President:

"I, _____, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)"

John

Your point is well taken, John, and the original post has been edited to reflect the difference in the oath taken by officers. Thank you.
 
Corporal, USMC Oct 1982- Oct 1986 (Active) 86-88 (Reserve)
2881 (ComSec Tech), Sr. Instructor CSMTU, TETS, CEMS, MCCES, MCAGCC Twentynine Palms 1984-1986

Some of the 80's-service 25xx's here may well have been students of mine at some point.

Scary, huh? :eek:
 
Not armed service....

I took a very similar one when I got into L.E. in 1996. Left for poor health reasons in 2001. Also, like the Pledge of Allegiance, Civilians should take the same oath as well.

When I had defense contractor clearance I took a similar oath and still take it seriously today.

I don't make folk heroes out of people who have betrayed this trust.
 
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Regular Army 9/14/64-67
Ordnance Corps
Sp/4
7th Infantry Div, Korea, 1965-66, Co B 707th Maintenance Batt supporting 7th Div Artillery 2/65-3/66
Ft Douglas UT 3/66-6/67
Instructor FA Repair USAOC&S, APG Md. 6/67-9/67
Duty MOSs:
Field Artillery Repair
Small Arms Repair
Chemical Weapons Repair
Fire Control Instrument Repair

Enlisted just after Gulf of Tonkin but by GOD's Grace and nothing more never spent a tour in Vietnam.

Salt Lake City Police Dept. 10/1/69-7/1/90. Retired for medical reasons.

The only difference between the oath I took and what the OP posted was to include "Lawful Orders" specifically. Note that there was nothing in the oath that indicated it was only for your term of service, so far as I am concerned it is an obligation "For Life".
 
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Several posters have mentioned that they consider their oath to be a lifelong one. I couldn't agree more. Bearing "true faith and allegiance" is not to be taken lightly, even when our terms of service are complete, and preserving, protecting, and defending are "forever" vows too.

Please, those who still care to, continue to post here. I have been fascinated by what you have provided so far, and I appreciate your responses.

I read an interesting statistic this week, though I don't know how to verify it. It said that of the Americans living in the first decade of this century, about 1 percent had served in the U.S. Armed Forces. Rather startling, that.
 
USN
1967-1971
Aviation Ordnanceman 2nd class when I mustered out.
Served with VA-125 based at NAS Lemoore Cal.
Va-23 which gave me a membership card to the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club.
Finished my enlistment as an air crewman with VP-56 out of Patuxant River, MD.
I have to say that the navy did as much for me as I did for it...maybe more.
 
Several posters have mentioned that they consider their oath to be a lifelong one. I couldn't agree more. Bearing "true faith and allegiance" is not to be taken lightly, even when our terms of service are complete, and preserving, protecting, and defending are "forever" vows too.

Please, those who still care to, continue to post here. I have been fascinated by what you have provided so far, and I appreciate your responses.

I read an interesting statistic this week, though I don't know how to verify it. It said that of the Americans living in the first decade of this century, about 1 percent had served in the U.S. Armed Forces. Rather startling, that.

I hope for all here, it is lifelong taken and meant. Im not sure how to word the next bit-so ill not do so as I dont want it to come out other than how I mean it to.

It seems to some these days, that if a person is a Patriot or an oathkeeper? that they are terrorists. :mad::mad: Guess im a bad guy?/
 
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I don't get the idea some of you have about this being some life-long oath.

It, apparently, was something you had to say to get into the military, right?

I recall some officer stepping into the room in Miami, saying "Raise your right hands! Repeat after me! I-state your name..."

He blew through the rest of it so quick, I didn't hear it clearly. Then he said, "Now, you're getting paid for it," and walked out of the room.

All any of us knew was that we were now in the Army. It was neither a dramatic nor a memorable moment.

I took the same oath years later (I think it was the same, anyway) when I joined the Naval Reserve while in Law School and it was administered in the same fast, bored manner, except, to a man, we all responded "I, State Your Name,.... when the guy giving the oath said "I-state your name." Everyone, including the oath-giver was laughing. All of us were prior service, all of us knew the oath was required to "get in" and all of us knew about the Constitution (more or less) and knew we had to obey the orders of those above us even if they were wrong. And, I believe, all of us knew we would obey those orders.

Further, I feel no obligation to follow any orders of the President of the United States, don't have any officers appointed over me, and don't think the UCMJ has any power over me, either. I'd be more inclined to disobey any order that the President gave me, in the unlikely event of my ever having any contact with him.

The part about the Constitution? Well, I suppose, we all ought to feel that way, having been in the military or not.

But my feelings about the Constitution have zero to do with a miserable 3 years, 9 months in the Army with way over half of that time being spent in that beautiful SE Asian paradise.

Maybe for you, at the time you took the oath, it was a beautiful, unforgettable experience.

For me, it was less than 30 seconds of that 3 years, 9 months and is only memorable to me because of the lack of interest of everyone there, and the fact that it was the beginning of that 3 years, 9 months.

I took a very similar oath as a young police officer and it was administered in a much more formal and solemn manner.

The Oath taken to enter the Florida Bar as an Attorney and administered by a Judge was, again, far more solemn and serious than my oath to enter the Army.

I guess I must be the only one here, but my overall impression of the entry process to the United States Army in February of 1965 was simply one of "Hurry up, get this done, gotta get them to the train for Ft. Jackson."

Maybe I was shortchanged.

Bob
 
Bob it was the same was for all of us. Perhaps it's a beautiful moment in our past that some of us choose to remember. I remember duck walking naked at MEPS.

I think the original poster was reaching out to us vet's. I'm proud to be one as I am sure you are too. I thank God everyday guys like you were before and after me.

Thank you for your service as a soldier, police officer and servant of the court. I bet you conduct yourself every day with knowledge from all.

Bruce
 
I don't get the idea some of you have about this being some life-long oath.

It, apparently, was something you had to say to get into the military, right?

I recall some officer stepping into the room in Miami, saying "Raise your right hands! Repeat after me! I-state your name..."

He blew through the rest of it so quick, I didn't hear it clearly. Then he said, "Now, you're getting paid for it," and walked out of the room.

All any of us knew was that we were now in the Army. It was neither a dramatic nor a memorable moment.

I took the same oath years later (I think it was the same, anyway) when I joined the Naval Reserve while in Law School and it was administered in the same fast, bored manner, except, to a man, we all responded "I, State Your Name,.... when the guy giving the oath said "I-state your name." Everyone, including the oath-giver was laughing. All of us were prior service, all of us knew the oath was required to "get in" and all of us knew about the Constitution (more or less) and knew we had to obey the orders of those above us even if they were wrong. And, I believe, all of us knew we would obey those orders.

Further, I feel no obligation to follow any orders of the President of the United States, don't have any officers appointed over me, and don't think the UCMJ has any power over me, either. I'd be more inclined to disobey any order that the President gave me, in the unlikely event of my ever having any contact with him.

The part about the Constitution? Well, I suppose, we all ought to feel that way, having been in the military or not.

But my feelings about the Constitution have zero to do with a miserable 3 years, 9 months in the Army with way over half of that time being spent in that beautiful SE Asian paradise.

Maybe for you, at the time you took the oath, it was a beautiful, unforgettable experience.

For me, it was less than 30 seconds of that 3 years, 9 months and is only memorable to me because of the lack of interest of everyone there, and the fact that it was the beginning of that 3 years, 9 months.

I took a very similar oath as a young police officer and it was administered in a much more formal and solemn manner.

The Oath taken to enter the Florida Bar as an Attorney and administered by a Judge was, again, far more solemn and serious than my oath to enter the Army.

I guess I must be the only one here, but my overall impression of the entry process to the United States Army in February of 1965 was simply one of "Hurry up, get this done, gotta get them to the train for Ft. Jackson."

Maybe I was shortchanged.

Bob

Maybe you were, Bob. And I don't doubt a bit that under some circumstances, being administered the oath was just another step in a kind of human cattle-call. That's a shame, really.

I was already accustomed (and had been since I was 11) to raising my right hand and reciting a solemn oath -- as a Boy Scout -- to "do my best to do my duty to God and my country" so I suppose I took my oath to join the Armed Forces with the same sense of solemnity. I was fortunate that the circumstances under which I took my oath were quieter and more dignified than those of your experience, and I do regret that for you. At the same time, I am proud to share with you the status of being a veteran, and I both commend and appreciate your service, especially in Southeast Asia.

No, I don't consider that I'm under the command of the President or superior officers any longer, or subject to the UCMJ. Those parts of the oath obviously ceased when I left the service.

But I am very serious about the rest of it, and though many years have passed since my six years of service, I still consider myself a Coast Guardsman and an American Fighting Man who is prepared in whatever ways I legally and ethically can to preserve, protect, and defend my country. I bear her true faith and allegiance, and am honored to be able to do so.

Happy Veterans Day, Bob, and thank you.
 
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