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Obama administration proposes new executive actions on gun background checks | Fox News

The big problem IMO is what is going to constitute an unstable person, who will subsequently be denied a firearm? Someone went to the doc because of anxiety? How about being depressed over losing one's favorite pet, and requiring a script? These executive proposals are the precursor to the proverbial flood gates opening.
 
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I am always proportionately happy to the situation I happen to be in, never sad unless it's OK to be sad at that moment....like at a funeral but I don't dwell on it, I move on. On top of that I love all people and on the rare occasion when I feel even slightly exasperated I count back from 10 and everything is well again.


Has anyone seen or remember Demolition Man? We will turn into those citizens
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Remember the New York resident that got the lovely notice from his state not tooo long ago to surrender all firearms? He needed a lawyer to get the mistake resolved.
 
I'm curious as to who the President "proposes" an executive action to? If it is to float the idea to the public I say NO! Just another gun grabbing scheme...
 
This sounds confusing and I suspect that's deliberate. If you support stricter gun laws it seems to say people with mental health issues can be restricted from purchasing and possessing guns. If you're against stricter gun laws it seems to say nothing will change regarding mental health counseling, that you can still receive counseling and keep your guns. Many laws and regulations are written so as to be interpreted according to different viewpoints. It tries to "thread the needle" by, if not making everyone happy, then not ****ing everyone off. Then there is the enforcement issue. Who enforces this and how? It may, like so many other issues, take a court case or two to resolve. And before then we'll be off on another EO.
 
It’s true that even the stupid have a right to representation, but the right of representation by the stupid is another question.-Unknown
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I read a story where a man lost his wife of many years and was feeling despondent (not suicidal).He went to his doctor to see if there was something the doctor could give him to relax him.The doctor called authorities as was "mandated" at the time and Police came and confiscated all of the man's firearms.

I guess the only way to get around this would be to celebrate any time there is a tragedy in our lives.Wouldn't want anyone to think we were actually sad over losing a loved one.

Did I miss the point of this thread?
 
coltle6920 said:
I read a story where a man lost his wife of many years and was feeling despondent (not suicidal).He went to his doctor to see if there was something the doctor could give him to relax him.The doctor called authorities as was "mandated" at the time and Police came and confiscated all of the man's firearms.

I guess the only way to get around this would be to celebrate any time there is a tragedy in our lives.Wouldn't want anyone to think we were actually sad over losing a loved one.

Did I miss the point of this thread?
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You did not miss the point. My concern with such blatant vagueness cloaked as definitive political action is that there is no litmus test. Your example is exactly where my worry lies ... who/what will define mental competency? And then who/what decides which levels of said competency are acceptable for firearms ownership?
 
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ChattanoogaPhil said:
I'm curious as to who the President "proposes" an executive action to? If it is to float the idea to the public I say NO! Just another gun grabbing scheme...
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I guess he's proposing it to see how much back lash there is from Democrats who are up for re-election this fall. Not that he much cares about the Democrats or anything that doesn't feed his ego. Still, he might get enough push back that he'll be concerned that other things that Congress can block will be stopped that he'll reconsider.
 
This proposal allows activists, (whether judges or doctors or teachers) to effect restrictions on the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. It is a form of plausible deniability.

Note that doctors, judges or teachers who DO support the Constitution can only "not interfere" with ownership, not reporting or ordering removal.
Thus the only change available is in the direction of more restriction/confiscation.

Very possible that cultural trends and propaganda will affect the doctors, judges and teachers choice. I use the occurrence of teachers "prescribing" medication for "problem students"as an example.
 
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We descend into the cauldron of debate over the prescription of anti-depressants and resultant psychotic and or suicidal behavior to justify gun confiscation. Confiscation makes perfect sense to those who do not consider the Second Amendment of any use in the modern world (I consider those people delusional).
 
What worries me the most is the widespread acceptance of unilateral actions by an executive to effect a goal that has not been properly vetted, publicly argued, and decided by legislation.

In other words, there seems to be quite a large segment of the American public that is ready to accept rule by executive fiat.

Properly read and understood in the original context, our Constitution serves primarily to constrain government and guarantee individual liberties. It was bad enough when the Congress was passing laws that allowed for bureaucratic interpretation and regulation; now it appears that many are willing to bypass representative government entirely and allow an imperial presidency.
 
Im glad my current Dr (who is a Family Practitioner/ General Medicine Dr) was also in the Army as a Dr, because he is less tolerant to legislative BS than I am, and he is the type who will offer politicians his middle finger.

I know several people who have seen Councilors for whatever reasons? and not one of them has ever been in trouble, never started any trouble, and who are great people, who had to "talk it out" because of depression and such. If they pass something like that? I easily see 2/3rd of Americans fit the bill.

2014 & 2016 needs to be the new updated version of: "The British Are Coming" cry.
 
One thing you will see is gun owners with problems being less likely to seek help. During and after my wife dieing with a brain tumor I had regular visits with a counselor. If I had thought that that might cause an end to my gun ownership I would have had a hard time getting help. How could I NOT be depressed? Never thought about guns at the time. To much other stuff to worry about.
 
Wait let me rethink this.........

Drugs are illegal, yet people still buy them. So these executive orders are supposed to stop the mentally ill from buying a weapon. Oh yeah, thats going to work.

They "claim" that if guns were not sold in stores, that the people wouldn't buy them.

Ok so what about the cocaine that isnt sold in stores, yet people buy it in this city every day.
 
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Wait let me rethink this.........

They "claim" that if guns were not sold in stores, that the people wouldn't buy them.

Ok so what about the cocaine that isnt sold in stores, yet people buy it in this city every day.
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Wait, cocaine is NOT sold in stores???

I agree, if people want a gun bad enough, they will find one to buy or steal somewhere somehow.

I know there have been reports that this person or that person has a mental illness or had been seeing a doctor for this or that; same person went on a shooting spree, killing and/or seriously wounding 10's of innocent people. I know I've seen it in the news. But out of all of those, how many actually bought a gun legally? Or was it a family member's? Or a friend's? Most of the time it had been a borrowed or stolen gun. So these background checks are going to do what to help the situation? Yeah, again, fake like they are trying to fix the problem. AGAIN.
 
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