Badkarma 1
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Personally I'm too busy watching the hands and body language to spot a show and tell. If I do see a flash, I usually just nudge the carrier and tell them QUIETLY!
Dale
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I've spent my entire adult life minding my own business and making sure I never see the inside of a jail.
I probably don't look like the "kind of person" the general populace would
think CCs.
I don't look to see who's carrying.
I don't look over the urinal dividers to check out the other guy's "package", either. (I'm made very uncomfortable by guys who do that)
I do what I can to not print.
I stay aware for violent threats, and try to avoid them.
Staying out of trouble is a specialty of mine.
I avoid high crime areas. After all, I'm not bullet proof, and the police
don't have psychic powers to tell that I'm a good guy.
I probably don't look like the "kind of person" the general populace would
think CCs.
I don't look to see who's carrying.
I don't look over the urinal dividers to check out the other guy's "package", either. (I'm made very uncomfortable by guys who do that)
I do what I can to not print.
I stay aware for violent threats, and try to avoid them.
Staying out of trouble is a specialty of mine.
I avoid high crime areas. After all, I'm not bullet proof, and the police
don't have psychic powers to tell that I'm a good guy.
Some time ago I attended a training put on by ATF & the DC Police Dept. It was how to tell if someone is carrying and was an excellent course. While I don't go around looking sometimes, just to test my skills, I'll look while people watching and waiting for my wife in a mall. People watching is the best show in town!
Maybe I'm not typical but if I'm not working, I don't bother looking at people specifically to see if they're armed (unless it's a suspicious looking dirtball.) I also don't give a rat's patootie if I look like I'm armed (and I refuse to use the oh-so-cool term "print"; nobody I know that carries a gun for work uses it, either.) And I sure ain't going to tell somebody his gun is showing, unless the barrel of mine is screwed into his ear as I do so.
Like the man said, this ain't a club. It's serious stuff, and the end game is played for keeps.
Just my professional opinion, of course.
Like the man said, this ain't a club. It's serious stuff, and the end game is played for keeps.
Just my professional opinion, of course.
GerSan, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think.
Just kidding. You're response makes a lot of sense.
I like the way you think.
For those of us who aren't LEOs, avoiding trouble is half the battle.
I've had to pull my legally CC'ed pistol twice.
It was scary as hell. Partly because my life could have ended right there.
Mostly, because I almost had to end someone else's life.
I'd really rather not have to do that.
I'll protect me and mine.
If I can avoid having to shoot someone, I will.
Not being a cop, I have the option of avoiding a lot of situations that
their jobs require them to dive into.
I don't envy you boys in blue.
I also couldn't run into a burning building to save perfect strangers.
It's why I'm not a fireman.
GerSan is absolutely right. It's not a club.
It's a deadly serious responsibility and is not to be taken lightly.
I have friends who have killed men in military combat.
They went through about 6 months of Psych therapy afterward, to be
able to deal with it.
Killing a man is something I will avoid if at all possible.
The first time I had to pull a gun on someone was a roid-raging linebacker who was trying to pull me out of my car, through the window, by my throat.
Luckily, for both of us, the muzzle of a .357 slamming against his top lip changed his mind, without any shots having to be fired.
The second time was when two carjackers tried to carjack my dad at a car wash.
One stood in front of my dad and kept his attention by asking him questions about the car.
All of the questions were about the value of the car and how much money he-the carjacker-could get for it.
His accomplice walked down the next bay, in an attempt to sneak behind my dad.
I had been under the hood, spraying engine degreaser on the engine, and they didn't see me.
The accomplice came around the corner right as I got my Makarov out of the holster.
The muzzle tapped him on the forehead, and he stopped cold.
He then turned around and ran back to their car.
Only a week before, a man was carjacked/murdered a couple of miles away in a gang initiation.
I thank God I was armed, and I thank God that neither one of them forced me to pull the trigger.
Some of my friends told me that they would have shot them anyway.
Human life, and the consequences of having to take one, kept me from having a gung-ho attitude like that.
I was a fraction of a second away from being forced to pull the trigger in both cases and am forever grateful that I
did not get to the point of no return.
Just kidding. You're response makes a lot of sense.
I like the way you think.
For those of us who aren't LEOs, avoiding trouble is half the battle.
I've had to pull my legally CC'ed pistol twice.
It was scary as hell. Partly because my life could have ended right there.
Mostly, because I almost had to end someone else's life.
I'd really rather not have to do that.
I'll protect me and mine.
If I can avoid having to shoot someone, I will.
Not being a cop, I have the option of avoiding a lot of situations that
their jobs require them to dive into.
I don't envy you boys in blue.
I also couldn't run into a burning building to save perfect strangers.
It's why I'm not a fireman.
GerSan is absolutely right. It's not a club.
It's a deadly serious responsibility and is not to be taken lightly.
I have friends who have killed men in military combat.
They went through about 6 months of Psych therapy afterward, to be
able to deal with it.
Killing a man is something I will avoid if at all possible.
The first time I had to pull a gun on someone was a roid-raging linebacker who was trying to pull me out of my car, through the window, by my throat.
Luckily, for both of us, the muzzle of a .357 slamming against his top lip changed his mind, without any shots having to be fired.
The second time was when two carjackers tried to carjack my dad at a car wash.
One stood in front of my dad and kept his attention by asking him questions about the car.
All of the questions were about the value of the car and how much money he-the carjacker-could get for it.
His accomplice walked down the next bay, in an attempt to sneak behind my dad.
I had been under the hood, spraying engine degreaser on the engine, and they didn't see me.
The accomplice came around the corner right as I got my Makarov out of the holster.
The muzzle tapped him on the forehead, and he stopped cold.
He then turned around and ran back to their car.
Only a week before, a man was carjacked/murdered a couple of miles away in a gang initiation.
I thank God I was armed, and I thank God that neither one of them forced me to pull the trigger.
Some of my friends told me that they would have shot them anyway.
Human life, and the consequences of having to take one, kept me from having a gung-ho attitude like that.
I was a fraction of a second away from being forced to pull the trigger in both cases and am forever grateful that I
did not get to the point of no return.
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bobelk99
Member
Amen to your post.
On the other side: I have my suit (yes, suit) coats altered by a special seamstress such that my OWB weapon has less tendency to be noticed.
If someone is really cool, they can use the words "print", "platform", "pencil barrel", "minty", and "can" in a single sentence.
If someone is really cool, they can use the words "print", "platform", "pencil barrel", "minty", and "can" in a single sentence.
Oh, and "double tap", too. "Print", "platform", "pencil barrel", "minty", "can", and "double tap" in a single sentence.
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Jboutfishn
Member
To the original question, No. Why would you? I carry for one reason, protection for my family and self. Not a LEO, no illusion of being one, purely personal.
RobertJ.
Member
I generally don't even think about it, unless I see a photographer's vest (with no camera) or a fanny pack.
But I have been in a gathering of other middle aged white guys like myself and wondered what percentage was carrying.
But I have been in a gathering of other middle aged white guys like myself and wondered what percentage was carrying.
RobertJ.
Member
The politician (who loved seeing his words in print) was standing on the platform, and I, with my pencil barrel Model 10 and minty fresh breath, gave him a double tap right in the can.
Sorry, it sounded like a challenge!
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To Jaymo: Anyone who says they would have "shot the bad guy anyway" is full of beans. This is just more of tough-guy talk from someone who probably should not be carrying in the first place. You handled each situation exactly the way a responsible person should. Congratulations and I hope you can go your own way unmolested in the future.
Old Corp
Member
I've spotted several. Non-issue to me, other than the urge to educate some people that the $11.95 Uncle Mike's special they selected is doing a really poor job, especially paired with the $8.00 WalMart belt.
But, I stay quiet.
But, I stay quiet.
Harkrader
Member
If there is a tally in this, I echo a number of the more conservative posts.
I try to maintain situational awareness, something I learned to do in former careers, starting with USAF aviation. I just notice and keep track of things.
So, I scan for possible threats for the purpose of avoiding them.
As former law enforcement I almost unconsciously scan people for something that looks out of place. Cell phones have been mentioned as a common false indicator so I don't get worked up over small bulges. Like someone else here, I know people who carry two or more.
If I actually saw a gun I would not say anything to the person. As others here have said, the person might get hostile or defensive about it. Here in WisKonsin we have a significant number of the Fascist Left who LOVE to "out" someone and loudly object to that person's presence on private property. I had to tell an acquaintance that I see on a frequent basis -and who knew through our mutual purposes that I carried - to stop outing me and to stop trying to frisk me to confirm whether I was carrying. I reminded her that I was acting legally and that the actual property owners knew I carried and had not complained. She was/is unhappy about that but has stopped harassing me.
As others here have said, I would give a little more attention to a person I observed carrying, just because not everyone here is honest. Go figure.
I spoke up only one time. I was walking through the concourse at Mitchell Field airport, toward my gate, when I noticed the clear print of a gun through the jacket of a man in front of me. It was so obvious I could recognize the handle of a Glock. There was nothing remarkable about his appearance, but Mitchell Field is not the only airport that has failed to detect a gun going through security. He did not fit what was hilariously true about air marshals at the time: he didn't fit the profile.
I was going to say something to armed law enforcement on the concourse until he approached the same gate I was using, where he presented law enforcement credentials. I STILL wasn't going to say anything. Then, in flight, he got up to use the toilet. He was not wearing his jacket and it was obvious he was not carrying the service-size gun I detected.
After landing I passed by him in the concourse and told him what I saw, handing him my business card. He never contacted me.
I try to maintain situational awareness, something I learned to do in former careers, starting with USAF aviation. I just notice and keep track of things.
So, I scan for possible threats for the purpose of avoiding them.
As former law enforcement I almost unconsciously scan people for something that looks out of place. Cell phones have been mentioned as a common false indicator so I don't get worked up over small bulges. Like someone else here, I know people who carry two or more.
If I actually saw a gun I would not say anything to the person. As others here have said, the person might get hostile or defensive about it. Here in WisKonsin we have a significant number of the Fascist Left who LOVE to "out" someone and loudly object to that person's presence on private property. I had to tell an acquaintance that I see on a frequent basis -and who knew through our mutual purposes that I carried - to stop outing me and to stop trying to frisk me to confirm whether I was carrying. I reminded her that I was acting legally and that the actual property owners knew I carried and had not complained. She was/is unhappy about that but has stopped harassing me.
As others here have said, I would give a little more attention to a person I observed carrying, just because not everyone here is honest. Go figure.
I spoke up only one time. I was walking through the concourse at Mitchell Field airport, toward my gate, when I noticed the clear print of a gun through the jacket of a man in front of me. It was so obvious I could recognize the handle of a Glock. There was nothing remarkable about his appearance, but Mitchell Field is not the only airport that has failed to detect a gun going through security. He did not fit what was hilariously true about air marshals at the time: he didn't fit the profile.
I was going to say something to armed law enforcement on the concourse until he approached the same gate I was using, where he presented law enforcement credentials. I STILL wasn't going to say anything. Then, in flight, he got up to use the toilet. He was not wearing his jacket and it was obvious he was not carrying the service-size gun I detected.
After landing I passed by him in the concourse and told him what I saw, handing him my business card. He never contacted me.
hotrod150
Member
Jaymo, in between the gangstas, the car-jackers, and the urinal package-peekers...I think I'd move someplace different!
hotrod150
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I have heard similar gung-ho "just shoot them" comments by some people right here on these forums. I'm sure it's just testosterone-fueld macho BS-- I hate to think that anyone here would actually be that cavalier about taking a human life, and that they wouldn't be seriously troubled afterward.
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Springfeildkid585
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It depends on the situation I'd say. For example, when I was new to ccw, I was shopping and my shirt ended up coming up to expose my weapon. I didn't notice, but a gentleman stepped up and quietly let me know that my weapon was showing. I was a tad embarrassed, but thanked the man. If someone was letting me know that they'd spotted it just because yea I'd be ticked.
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