Weights added to inside the forearm
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roadkill45
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if you use a VFG with the compartment on the inside, fill it with BB's or lead shot and see how you like it before committing to something permanent or semi permanent. i happen to like it the way it is but my buddy did the above and it def added weight to the front. plus it is mobile so you can just change rail slots to put the weight where you feel it is best. YMMV
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I filled my buffer tube with a roll of nickels in a coin wrap and some paper towel pieces to stop any sliding. They fit well and balanced out the heavy shroud in the front.
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Weights? Has anyone heard of a sling, a shooting sling that is, not some decorative piece? Even a hasty sling locks things up like a rock. I presume we are not complaining about recoil in a .223.
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A sling as used military style as in standing, kneeling, or prone shooting, should not be done with the 15-22 in its standard configuration because the polymer quadrail will flex a lot and throw the relationship between the barrel and the sights off. Just resting the QR on a sandbag and putting pressure on the pistol grip will throw the sight off due to QR flex. You can improve it by replacing the stock plastic QR with an alloy handguard.
As for me as a speed event shooter I stripped my 15-22 down to as low a weight as I could to reduce my transition time.
Allchin alloy muzzle brake, AP Custom carbon fiber handguard, and Safariland Super Stock lockable stock.
I for one would love to see a measurement of this "flex" that lately I have read about. The reason is that I can understand the polymer .223/5.56 receivers that have hit the market causing a noticeable flex, however, the 15-22 or really any of the .22lr AR-Style rifles, IMO do not produce any noticeable flex that would cause an issue with accuracy or weapon alignment. At least no more "flex" than a high-end gas rifle.
I'm not sure where it started, or why it keeps coming up. Maybe the .223/5.56 reviews are being associated to the 15-22... maybe someone asked about flex and it just caught on... maybe it really does flex but it is so minimal that it makes no difference whatsoever.
I think if someone can post some statistics about or evidence of the actual flexing of the receiver, that would help... but if not, I think this should stop being associating this to the 15-22.
I understand weighting the weapon for balance purposes (though to do it to counteract a fake can or barrel shroud defeats the purpose, seeing as the shroud is for looks only and give you no benefit when shooting)... but weighting the weapon for a phantom or minuscule "flex" is not necessary. Again... IMO.
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larger, heavier muzzle break or flash hider???
Gopher Slayer
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Who said anything about "receiver flex"?
If you haven't seen how much the handguard can flex, grab the handguard with one hand, and the barrel with the other and move them in opposite directions.
No measurement necessary.
Well then without getting into a whole leverage and force conversation with you, the .22lr round will not cause enough force to "flex" your handguard while firing in a lateral direction down the barrel.
Maybe if the barrel fired on a right angle that caused a huge amount of force on the tip of it, sure... but not as the rifle (or any rifle) sits out of the box. Thus the term "FREE FLOATING" rail. It makes contact with the receiver... not the barrel. The barrel and handguard are held to the receiver with a barrel nut. Remember... plastic isn't metal... and you may even have a loose barrel nut.
That being said, weighting down the forward grip to compensate for a non-existent "flex" or something that can only be achieved by applying force to the barrel where force normally isn't applied while firing, is absolutely your prerogative. Balance? Sure... that I could agree with, especially if you change out the handguard or add something to the forward rail.
Like I said... totally your call on your weapon... but I wouldn't promote or endorse a hypothetical "flex" to the readers here, someone may actually take it seriously. Just saying.
Gopher Slayer
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Once again, nobody is talking about the barrel flexing under recoil.
It's simple, the front sight is attached to the handguard. The rear sight is attached to the upper receiver. If the handguard shifts to the left or right, your front sight does as well.
If a front sling mount is attached to the handguard and you use a sling to stabilize the firearm, you could easily put enough pressure on the handguard to move the front sight.
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JLK- There is a device available (popular with Ruger mini-14 users) that attaches to the barrel. It adds weight, and is adjustable for location, so as to allow you to find the "sweet spot" in barrel harmonics to improve accuracy, sort of like the Browning / Winchester "BOSS" system. Can not, for the life of me, remember the name, though an internet search might find it for you. Also not sure if it would work as well on a RF as a CF, but something to look at. I also like a muzzle heavy rifle when shooting off hand.
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Once again, nobody is talking about the barrel flexing under recoil.
It's simple, the front sight is attached to the handguard. The rear sight is attached to the upper receiver. If the handguard shifts to the left or right, your front sight does as well.
If a front sling mount is attached to the handguard and you use a sling to stabilize the firearm, you could easily put enough pressure on the handguard to move the front sight.
I'll remember that the next time I'm in Afghanistan with my trusty 15-22. You're seriously overthinking the functionality and capability of this platform.
Worry about precision and accuracy when you're firing a real rifle.
Novelty rifles like the 15-22 are a step up from an airsoft rifle for crying out loud.
I understand you wanting it to be accurate but it's a 22 come on now.
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photoracer
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It can easily be demonstrated when shooting off sandbags for one. Any amount of pressure on the pistol grip to try and bring the crosshair back into alignment after the sand shifts and you will see a shift in the POI. That is why S&W put the cap on the end of the quad rail giving up the barrel floating to try and keep the barrel and quad rail aligned. But you can get better accuracy by replacing the QR with a metal or CF handguard that is stiffer than the polymer and floats the barrel. Resting the QR on the bags as close to the magwell as possible can reduce the effect some. It is not so bad using a scope/optic on the receiver but with an iron sight on the end of the QR it can get much worse. One reason why many consider the 15-22 a 3-4 MOA rifle at best. It can be made and shot better I think if you know what to do. I consider it a 1-2 MOA myself. Not in the same realm as my Rem 597 precision rifle but OK.
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all he wants to do is make the front heavier so it is easier to shoot off hand in matches. he does not state anywhere about MOA, just wanted more weight so it was more front heavy.
the only thing i can think of is a heavier muzzle attachment. the barrel harmonics 'donut' wouldn't do much as for weight, and as for adding weights inside of the handguard..meh..then you will be sacrificing accuracy.
the only thing i can think of is a heavier muzzle attachment. the barrel harmonics 'donut' wouldn't do much as for weight, and as for adding weights inside of the handguard..meh..then you will be sacrificing accuracy.
