IF I OWN A 9MM DO I REALLY NEED TO GET A .45?
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I own both, a 9 M&P FS and a 1911.... either with the appropriate ammo will get the job done....
If I hear something go bump in the night it doesn't really matter which I pick up, whatever is closest
PS- I needed the 9... I wanted the 1911
If I hear something go bump in the night it doesn't really matter which I pick up, whatever is closest
PS- I needed the 9... I wanted the 1911
No. You should run out and buy a 1911 pistol in .45ACP.
This ^ ^ ^
Every red-blooded American should have at least one .45
One of which should be a 1911 style.
One of which should be a 1911 style.
MyDads38
Member
Yeah, this...
I inherited my dad's S&W Mod 10, 4" HB Nickel revolver. I love this gun and shoot it regularly. I have no qualms carrying a revolver; carried one for duty with D.O.C. and also my EDC after I left. The first semi-auto I EVER felt comfortable enough to carry was a S&W 39-2 in 9mm. First semi-auto I ever trusted my life to.
I own a Ruger P89DC in 9mm. I shoot it and am comfortable with it; it's a great gun, IMO.
This gun shoots anything you put through it, reliable and accurate for SD.
My next purchase was a new Ruger SR1911. Yes, 45acp. Best decision for me, I've always loved the 1911/45acp combination. This is one of, if not THE most accurate handgun I've owned; and I've owned several!
This is my SD/EDC gun-period. There is no "magic caliber", shot placement-hitting your target when it has to be done; that's what it's about. My SR1911 holds 8 + 1; that's half what the 9mm holds. Under gunned? Not in my opinion. I've never been a "compact gun" kind of guy; in the right holster/clothing, you can't tell that I'm even carrying.
No matter what your decision, 9mm, 40, 45, etc, be comfortable with the weapon, become proficient/accurate with the weapon and be confident in the weapon and your ability to use the weapon when needed. Stay safe and keep shooting
No. You should run out and buy a 1911 pistol in .45ACP.
I inherited my dad's S&W Mod 10, 4" HB Nickel revolver. I love this gun and shoot it regularly. I have no qualms carrying a revolver; carried one for duty with D.O.C. and also my EDC after I left. The first semi-auto I EVER felt comfortable enough to carry was a S&W 39-2 in 9mm. First semi-auto I ever trusted my life to.
I own a Ruger P89DC in 9mm. I shoot it and am comfortable with it; it's a great gun, IMO.
This gun shoots anything you put through it, reliable and accurate for SD.My next purchase was a new Ruger SR1911. Yes, 45acp. Best decision for me, I've always loved the 1911/45acp combination. This is one of, if not THE most accurate handgun I've owned; and I've owned several!
This is my SD/EDC gun-period. There is no "magic caliber", shot placement-hitting your target when it has to be done; that's what it's about. My SR1911 holds 8 + 1; that's half what the 9mm holds. Under gunned? Not in my opinion. I've never been a "compact gun" kind of guy; in the right holster/clothing, you can't tell that I'm even carrying.
No matter what your decision, 9mm, 40, 45, etc, be comfortable with the weapon, become proficient/accurate with the weapon and be confident in the weapon and your ability to use the weapon when needed. Stay safe and keep shooting
MichiganScott
Member
The best reason to get a .45 if you already own a 9mm is because you can.
That's the problem with Youtube and the internet. Self professed experts abound.
Here is someone with proven credibility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWMGBCVtTrM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myKGVV7xVDI
As far as what you need or want, only you can decide.
Here is someone with proven credibility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWMGBCVtTrM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myKGVV7xVDI
As far as what you need or want, only you can decide.
Yes. Sorta, kinda.
I'm a 33 year military veteran and competitive shooter, been around guns my whole life, but I'm not a ballistitian. I do try to use common sense.
1. The 1911 in 45ACP did a descent job as a side arm for many G.I.'s for many years. It has been credited for many dead bad guys. It also has been found to have typical handgun stopping power limitations
2. The Beretta M9 has had a dismal record in the field for stopping effectiveness.
Both instances above is using FMJ ammo. When hollow point or expanding ammo is introduced into the equation, then the 9mm shines quite well when the exterior ballistics of the projectile perform to spec. In this case, the increased capacity of the 9mm is a better choice. The 45 will expand also making an even larger hole, but round count will be down. The problem with 9mm comes into play when the bullet doesn't expand for whatever reason. Usually the tip will clog with clothing, negating any advantage the 9mm has using expanding projectiles. It doesn't happen a lot, but enough so that its a factor. With 45acp, .452 is .452 when using FMJ or expanding. The bullet will always drill a bigger hole. The FMJ will also penetrate deeper into a perp that is heavily clothed in which said clothing create the clogging potential to begin with.
There is no wrong answer either way. No matter what you carry, you must be very proficient with it. If you can't place your shots effectively, then its all moot. Personally, I have no use for a nine because Uncle Sugur has forced me to carry one for a long time, and it's not good with FMJ. But thats just me.
I'm a 33 year military veteran and competitive shooter, been around guns my whole life, but I'm not a ballistitian. I do try to use common sense.
1. The 1911 in 45ACP did a descent job as a side arm for many G.I.'s for many years. It has been credited for many dead bad guys. It also has been found to have typical handgun stopping power limitations
2. The Beretta M9 has had a dismal record in the field for stopping effectiveness.
Both instances above is using FMJ ammo. When hollow point or expanding ammo is introduced into the equation, then the 9mm shines quite well when the exterior ballistics of the projectile perform to spec. In this case, the increased capacity of the 9mm is a better choice. The 45 will expand also making an even larger hole, but round count will be down. The problem with 9mm comes into play when the bullet doesn't expand for whatever reason. Usually the tip will clog with clothing, negating any advantage the 9mm has using expanding projectiles. It doesn't happen a lot, but enough so that its a factor. With 45acp, .452 is .452 when using FMJ or expanding. The bullet will always drill a bigger hole. The FMJ will also penetrate deeper into a perp that is heavily clothed in which said clothing create the clogging potential to begin with.
There is no wrong answer either way. No matter what you carry, you must be very proficient with it. If you can't place your shots effectively, then its all moot. Personally, I have no use for a nine because Uncle Sugur has forced me to carry one for a long time, and it's not good with FMJ. But thats just me.
Backlighting
Member
I'd add a Model 69 to that mix.
All kidding and opinions aside, caliber is not anywhere near as important as bullet placement. A good firearms training course (if you haven't already) will help lots. Don't get me wrong, I love the .45ACP ammo and 1911 pistols to shoot it out of. Everybody talks about the "knock down power" of a .45 which is fine and all but, you can take someone out with a .22 short if you know where to hit them at. Bullet placement is the key.
Then how the hell did we survive a couple of world wars and numerous skirmishes with the 1911?
Those were dirt free wars and skirmishes, silly.
I have more .45s than 9mms simply because I like the .45acp round and shoot it very well. But I have no qualms whatsoever carrying my G19 or CZ PCR...even loaded with ball if it was all I had (which once it was). Pistols...all of them...are basically hole punchers. Rifles and shotguns OTOH get things done! Shoot whichever you can handle best.
gdnagle
US Veteran
And you want it. I have from .22 to .45, while I do not use the .22 or .380 except as a last resort, I got them because I wanted them, .45 has been proven and been around a long time. Only you can answer your question. If you can handle the recoil for follow up shot's and be proficient with it then no worries about it. Got the money go for it.
You can never have too many firearms.2ndAmendmentNut
Member
Your on the wrong forum when it comes to needs. I don't need another pinned and recessed S&W, but I want one. I don't really need a 45-70, but I sure could find a use for one.
When it comes to the whole 9mm vs 45 thing...
9mms can expand, but a 45 ain't going to shrink. Both will put a hole in something. To each their own. Just don't want anyone telling me what I do and don't "need." Or what I can and can't have.
When it comes to the whole 9mm vs 45 thing...
9mms can expand, but a 45 ain't going to shrink. Both will put a hole in something. To each their own. Just don't want anyone telling me what I do and don't "need." Or what I can and can't have.
gwpercle
Member
My wife keeps telling me bigger is better....glad to know an expert out there agrees with me...it just ain't so.
Oh we are talking about guns! Never mind!
Oh we are talking about guns! Never mind!
cyphertext
US Veteran
A 9mm may expand to the size of a .45, but a .45 will never shrink down to 9mm.
Fishslayer
US Veteran, Absent Comrade
Yes. Yes you do. Preferably in a 1911. Every American should own a .45 1911 and a .357 Magnum wheelgun.
Groo01
Member
Groo here
Some time ago I started looking at gun and cartridge as a system.
If you need a compact, the 9mm can be made smaller and lighter.
If you need high round count you get it with the latter.
The 9mm has one big problem in that it is on the edge of expandsion
speed.
When it works , it works well, when not it fails badly.
Doing more damage only gets you so much.
It takes 8 to 10sec for no blood pressure to knock you out [aka hart stop]
30sec and more for major bleeding.
That is with Hp's.
The shock stop , or mental overload [aka pain] can happen verry quickly or not at all but thatone works most of the time.
The more damage to the skin and muscle the more pain.
The 40+cal bullet will do this, the 357mag 125gr with a large lead
nose will also,but auto hp's are built to feed first and open slower.
The best is the correct size,weight and action type for you
and in a cal you can hit with.
Some time ago I started looking at gun and cartridge as a system.
If you need a compact, the 9mm can be made smaller and lighter.
If you need high round count you get it with the latter.
The 9mm has one big problem in that it is on the edge of expandsion
speed.
When it works , it works well, when not it fails badly.
Doing more damage only gets you so much.
It takes 8 to 10sec for no blood pressure to knock you out [aka hart stop]
30sec and more for major bleeding.
That is with Hp's.
The shock stop , or mental overload [aka pain] can happen verry quickly or not at all but thatone works most of the time.
The more damage to the skin and muscle the more pain.
The 40+cal bullet will do this, the 357mag 125gr with a large lead
nose will also,but auto hp's are built to feed first and open slower.
The best is the correct size,weight and action type for you
and in a cal you can hit with.
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