38/200 pix

[digi-shots]

Lefty,

Nice companion piece to your other S.A. shipped BSR!

I think you're right about the canvas holsters... I've seen some of the "drop leg" styles that have been cut and shortened for use by the tankers.

Here's a pic of a Canadian holster and belt. The S.A. BSR I have fits nicely!

Linda

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

Linda;

The Canadian holster looks pretty identical to the U.S. Victory holster I have in my collection. Are there any Canadian makers marks or military acceptance marks?

The belt, and particularly the buckle, are very cool!

After carefully examining the new addition BSR, I note just one difference between the two. The newly acquired specimen (which is actually older by serial) has the "Reg. US Pat. Off." stamp on the hammer. The other BSR does not. That stamp is on a few of my 1905 Target model hammers, that are in the 640,000 serial range. Comparing the two hammers, the targets and the BSR, I note the BSR has finer checkering/crosshatching on the spur. The targets have larger and deeper crosshatching. Just a minor difference, but I was wondering if your BSR SA had the patent mark on the hammer?

Hamden;

Did you find the lanyard swivel yet? Numrich Gun Parts Co. has them (reproductions) listed for about $15 and the lanyard swivel pin for about $1.50 on their website.

 

[NT430]

This particular "K-200 British Service Revolver" V745416 (S&W.38/200)was shipped in January 1945. It was later converted to .38 Special S&W by "Cogswell & Harrison LTD" of London prior to return to the US market for resale.

(note the semi-removal of the initially rough finish near the recoil shield and the barrel/ frame joint)

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

Originally posted by Pre-64:
This particular "K-200 British Service Revolver" V745416 was shipped in January 1945. It was later converted to .38 S&W by "Cogswell & Harrison LTD" of London prior to return to the US market for resale.

pre64;

Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying this Victory was originally .38 Special when shipped in 1945 and was later converted by C&H to .38 S&W (.38/200) for resale in the U.S.? Did you have it lettered to learn it's shipped chambering? Typically, it's the other way around, .38 S&W converted to .38 Special for the U.S. market? Unless I'm misunderstanding your comments, this makes it an unusual example.

 

[NT430]

Mr. Flatfoot...Thanks for the correction of my typo....
Yes it was originally a ".38/200" then converted to S&W .38 S&W Special...

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

Originally posted by Pre-64:
Mr. Flatfoot...Thanks for the correction of my typo....
Yes it was originally a ".38/200" then converted to S&W .38 S&W Special...

I thought that was probably a typo. Nice lanyard pictured with your revolver, what can you tell me about it? Years ago, one of my relatives had 2 Cogswell & Harrison modified Colt Army Special's. They were engraved like yours except it was on a small brass plate riveted into the frame. They looked pretty cool, but shot very poorly.

 

[PJGP]

/QUOTE]Hello Again, Peter:
Am I correct in assuming that all four of these revolvers mentioned are in .38 S&W with 4" barrels?
Charlie Flick[/QUOTE]

Sorry Charlie and all, but I have not been near this forum for a while. Yes, they are all 4' 38 S&W.

However, yesterday I saw a 6" S/N 679920 in 38 Special with British Inspection stamp (but no other markings). It must be one of the first S&Ws that Britain purchased in a hurry around May 1940. Skennerton in "British Small Arms of World War 2" records 1139 6" ".38 S&W Military Police" from Britsh contract records. Just one problem with this gun I am afraid - someone drilled out the first part of the chambers to take the 38 S&W !@#$%^.

Peter

 

[PJGP]

Originally posted by ordnanceguy:
Do you have any plans to publish the results of your research?
Charlie Flick

One day Charlie! However, right now I can certainly let you have some data for the database.

Peter

 

[PJGP]

[/QUOTE]
I was aware of the July 8, 1940 shipment. I believe Peter had posted info sometime ago on a gun from that shipment - 692085, UDF968, - shipment arrived in S.A. sometime in August of 1940. Linda[/QUOTE]

Did I?? I do not have either of these numbers in my database, but then my record keeping could be better!

Peter

 

[digi-shots]

Originally posted by Pre-64:
This particular "K-200 British Service Revolver" V745416 (S&W.38/200)was shipped in January 1945. It was later converted to .38 Special S&W by "Cogswell & Harrison LTD" of London prior to return to the US market for resale.

(note the semi-removal of the initially rough finish near the recoil shield and the barrel/ frame joint)

Pre-64,

Very nice looking revolver.. both the grips and the case hardening on the hammer look fantastic!

Your last photo shows the butt of the gun... the imprint on the wood looks similiar to Chinese characters. Do you know what they are?

Thanks

 

[shark_za]

Hi Peter, I have SA number 5760 with S&W serial 70xxxx.

Do I know you ? GP , check. PJ ?
Not PW ?


Ronald.

 

[PJGP]

Hello Ronald

Yes, PJ. Do I know you??

I would appreciate the full S/N of your UDF S&W for my database.

Peter

 

[shark_za]

I have no idea how to drive this forum, seem to be missing any private message options.

Mail me at networkgod@ananzi. south african domain.

 

[Hamden]

The topic starter gun here is now complete with a loop.

And the pictures do not do the gun justice. It is much better looking than pictured.

 

[digi-shots]

I was just revisiting this thread...

Hamden thanks for the original posting! Your S&W looks great with the lanyard ring addition.

 

[LOBO]

I just found this thread, and boy is it a good one!!

Here is my first Pre-Victory 38-200 that I obtained earlier in the week. I think it is going to be one of the South Africa contract guns as the serial number, 685147, falls into that range. It's a 4" barreled gun in .38 S&W. It also has either O or D Smith scratched into the bottom of the left grip.

 

[LOBO]

Pre-Victory 6" .38 S&W, all numbers match including grips.

 

[mbliss57]

Old threads never die..

I thought I would revive this old thread (I found it in Notable Thread Index)
This one Shipped to the British Purchasing Commision Nov. 25th, 1940. There are no proof stamps on it anywhere. So its impossible to know where it did its service to the British But it's not LNIB so I am pretty sure it saw action somewhere.

 

[Mk VII]

I have come across manifests for ships sunk, where they needed to list what had not arrived so that the British Purchasing Commission could reorder it. But they just list quantities, e.g. " 33 cases 3000 S. & W. Revolvers .38/200 Cal. with Spare Parts and Access. " which were lost when the Ostende, bound from New York to Liverpool on 17/1/43, hit a mine off the Isle of Mull and was beached, subsequently becoming a total loss.

 

[Waidmann]

Here is another one from the May 1940 Capetown shipment. There are no post-factory markings. 685XXX