A quick Apex question

[Nevadadvx]

After seeing all the glowing reviews for the Apex trigger, I have decided to purchase one. But, I cannot decide if I should get the FFS polymer trigger or the kit without it. I have never really had a problem with the polymer trigger that came with my M&P full size 9mm.

If anyone can explain the advantage of the Glock style "blade" type trigger, as opposed to the hinged S&W version, I would appreciate it. Is it just personal preference?

 

[Llando88]

I'm a noob, so take this with a grain of salt.

My Oct 13 build FS 9mm with standard curved trigger alway felt both gritty and flexy. The curve never struck me as 'smooth' in terms of radius of the trigger press. Like the curve caused my finger to move on the trigger?

I had my LGS install an Apex DCAEK and normal Apex polymer trigger.

Now, pressing the trigger, the flat part of the trigger compresses, then from there to the 'click' it is a smooth continuous movement.

Kind of hard to explain.

Hope that helps.

I like the Apex parts very well, I would do it again in a heartbeat.

 

[sarge1967]

GET THE FSS WITH THE POLYMER TRIGGER!

Let me tell you brother, it is well worth it. It makes the M&P into a completely different pistol.

 

[dullh]

Personal preference. If you like it, get it.

 

[sarge1967]

If you want the FSS trigger group I believe it must use the Apex trigger be it poly or aluminum.

 

[Nevadadvx]

Sarge, this is the kit I was looking at without the trigger....

Amazon.com : Apex Tactical M&P 9/40 Trigger Kit for Competition : Sports Outdoors Paintball Airsoft Paintball Marker Parts Upgrades : Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41f-Bu82VkL.@@AMEPARAM@@41f-Bu82VkL

...and here it is with.....

Amazon.com : Apex Tactical M&P Trigger Kit with FSS Polymer Replacement Trigger for 9mm, .357 Sig, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP Models : Internal Cell Phone Batteries : Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tHH1V-vqL.@@AMEPARAM@@41tHH1V-vqL

 

[Gunhacker]

Before you buy a kit, you need to understand what the differences are between the Apex FSS (Forward set) kit and the AEK (Action Enhancement) kit, which is available in a competition (COMPAEK) or duty carry (DCEAK) version... the kit you show is the COMPAEK.

When I bought my M&P45 FS in January, I asked about what the difference was between the FSS and AEK kits, member Danno_Man replied with a pic that compares them to stock, it was helpful to this newbie back then: http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/355943-m-p45-newbie-apex-questions.html

As far as the trigger is concerned, I like the rigid feeling of the Apex trigger over the "hinged" stock trigger because it feels like the conventional triggers that I have on my other pistols. Without the flexing, it makes for a better tactile feedback in my opinion.

On the FSS kit, the trigger is included because it contributes to the "forward set". The trigger bar pin position and profile of the FSS looks slightly different from the AEK trigger that's not included in AEK the kit.

 

[Danny2tek]

I just installed the FSS kit in my 9c and now its a totally different model.

 

[Atticaz]

I just installed the polymer trigger, duty/carry spring kit and sear. I am in love. Not a light trigger pull. But smooth as butter, with a predictable break. Prefect, IMO, for a striker-fired pistol without a thumb safety.

 

[thoml]

Can use use either set with an external safety. When I read about it they were only described with no external safety models
Thanks
Thom

 

[sarge1967]

Before you buy a kit, you need to understand what the differences are between Apex FSS (Forward set) kit and the AEK (Action Enhancement) kit, which is available in a competition (COMPAEK) or duty carry (DCEAK) version... the kit you show is the COMPAEK.

When I bought my M&P45 FS in January, I asked about what the difference was between the FSS and AEK kits, member Danno_Man replied with a pic that compares them to stock, it was helpful to this newbie back then: http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/355943-m-p45-newbie-apex-questions.html

As far as the trigger is concerned, I like the rigid feeling of the Apex trigger over the "hinged" stock trigger because it feels like the conventional triggers that I have on my other pistols. Without the flexing, it makes for a better tactile feedback in my opinion.

On the FSS kit, the trigger is included because it contributes to the "forward set". The trigger bar pin position and profile of the FSS looks slightly different from the AEK trigger that's not included in AEK the kit.

What he says.

 

[Nevadadvx]

I just ordered the FFS kit with polymer trigger. According to the ad text, it comes with 4.5 and 5.5 lb springs. I will most likely go the 4.5 route and see how it feels. As someone above said, it is not permanent and can be changed again if I am not satisifed. Thanks for all the responses guys.

 

[sarge1967]

This is the kit I have in my FS. Will be putting one in my compact when funds allow.

Apex Tactical Forward Set Trigger Kit Smith & Wesson M&P Polymer Black

Midway USA has the best price I have found on Apex kits.

Do you plan on doing the work yourself?

 

[Nevadadvx]

This is the kit I have in my FS. Will be putting one in my compact when funds allow.

Apex Tactical Forward Set Trigger Kit Smith & Wesson M&P Polymer Black

Midway USA has the best price I have found on Apex kits.

Do you plan on doing the work yourself?

From what I can tell, the hardest part is getting the rear sight off to get at the plunger. So, I will change the trigger parts, and if the sight seems too tough for me to get off without a sight tool, I will take the slide to my gunsmith. That's the current plan anyway. I may change my mind and just drop the entire gun off with him. He's a good guy and very reasonable. Plus has an outdoor range at his shop to test it out.

 

[sarge1967]

If you decide to do it yourself, do yourself a favor and get this.
Apex Tactical Armorer's Block M&P Glock

I did mine up until I tried to get my rear sight back on. It stripped out my sight tool. The sights on the M&P pistols can be on VERY TIGHT. I had to send my slide to a guy to put it back on. My local smith's would not even touch it.

 

[rcp1936]

I just installed the FSS kit in my 9c and now its a totally different model.

That it is and so much like a 1911 I am having a thumb safety installed ( wish I would have known I was going to get the FSS I would have purchased the MP9C with the Thumb Safety)

 

[Nevadadvx]

That it is and so much like a 1911 I am having a thumb safety installed ( wish I would have known I was going to get the FSS I would have purchased the MP9C with the Thumb Safety)

That is where I am a bit confused. The kit I ordered off Amazon through Solid Tactical, states trigger pull with either a 4.5 or 5.5 spring. I can live with that without a safety....

"Includes 4.5 and 5.5 pound springs from Duty/Carry & Competition Kits"

Yet, I saw a Youtube video where a guy states his is somewhere in the 2lb range with the FSS kit. I have never fired a handgun with a trigger that light, and not sure if I want to.

Maybe they put this kit together for those of us that do not want a super light trigger? It appears to be the same kit Sarge1967 posted on Midways site. I went with Amazon as we have Prime with them, so free, fast shipping.

 

[Danny2tek]

I went with the 5#(green) spring and the trigger breaks perfect to me

 

[1KPerDay]

My Apex FSS aluminum trigger kit breaks at 4.75 lbs with the lighter spring in it. I'm thinking of putting the OEM trigger spring back in.

Because the pre-travel and total travel are so greatly reduced, it actually feels like a heavier trigger compared to the OEM CORE trigger.

Break is much cleaner, takeup is MUCH less, and reset is better (I installed RAM also).

I'm not sure if I like the aluminum trigger safety yet. Feels a little annoying and my brother (who mostly shoots Glocks) agrees.

 

[AGoyette]

That is where I am a bit confused. The kit I ordered off Amazon through Solid Tactical, states trigger pull with either a 4.5 or 5.5 spring. I can live with that without a safety....

"Includes 4.5 and 5.5 pound springs from Duty/Carry & Competition Kits"

Yet, I saw a Youtube video where a guy states his is somewhere in the 2lb range with the FSS kit. I have never fired a handgun with a trigger that light, and not sure if I want to.

Maybe they put this kit together for those of us that do not want a super light trigger? It appears to be the same kit Sarge1967 posted on Midways site. I went with Amazon as we have Prime with them, so free, fast shipping.

I put the FSS kits in both our Pros. If you leave certain springs in and do not change them, then your trigger pull will be lighter. One example is the trigger return spring. The stock one will give you a lighter trigger pull. Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion. Different people configuring their guns different ways.