LGS won't show take down on a gun?

[scooter123]

The Ruger Mark series pistols are notorious for requiring an intricate re-assembly procedure after field stripping. So, I would not expect ANY gun shop to provide a demonstration on that Ruger 22/45 Mark III. If you want more information on that spend some time on Youtube watching the videos.

As for simpler designs, there are a lot of different procedures for field stripping various firearms and some can involve small parts being launched into oblivion. So, unless a purchase has been made I really cannot blame a gunshop for being unwilling to demonstrate the field stripping procedure to some who is simply window shopping. If you are curious about a particular firearm it's a near certainty you can find it on Youtube so do your own homework.

Gun shops are in business to sell firearms and accessories, not provide free training or entertainment. So, you really shouldn't expect them engages in practices that don't provide any income.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I would personally not be doing business with him or anyone like him. A gun is a big investment and I'm not about to buy one without feeling the trigger and examining the inside of the gun. I could care less if 50 people did the same thing before me, it shouldn't have any negative impact on the gun. I have guns that have hundreds of rounds and dozens of take downs on them and they still look brand new. And as far as eyeing people up as buyers or lookers, that mentality alone would be enough to make me stop frequenting a shop. Lookers become buyers, and buyers have a lot of places to spend their money.

I understand about being able to work the action and try the trigger press, but if it's mine, and new, you'll get once, and perhaps twice. I'd never let somebody work a new gun like they're churning butter, and definitely would not let them take it down.

 

[Dave from Pa]

Where l work we do a field strip/ take down of any firearm we sell AFTER it's purchased at the new owners request.We will also offer if we feel it would benefit the new owner.

 

[uncleted327]

I can completely agree with not letting someone run a gun like some tactical hero, but taking down a great number of modern pistols is a very easy operation, I'm not talking about detail stripping the weapon, but if a prospective buyer wants to see the inside of the slide and frame they should be allowed to, even if they aren't allowed to take it down themselves.

 

[murphydog]

You didn't mention the staff member's (owner's?) attitude when he said no disassembly. A big difference between apologetic ("no sir, sorry, we've had damage issues in the past so we don't allow that") and surly ("why do you want to do that, and I don't care what you think!")

 

[uncleted327]

If I can't see the gun taken down or feel the trigger why shouldn't I save myself 20% and buy it online instead of at the LGS?

 

[Saudade]

I would personally not be doing business with him or anyone like him. A gun is a big investment and I'm not about to buy one without feeling the trigger and examining the inside of the gun. <snip>

As is your right as a consumer. The beauty is that these kind of market forces will eventually prevail. Eventually, you'll find a business that does it your way.

 

[N4KVE]

Bought a HK VP70Z used from Gander Mountain a year ago. The gun looked mint, but there was no way they would take it apart before I paid for it. But since it looked mint, & the price was right, I took it. I paid for it, & the second the background check came back "approved" a very helpful employee who was familiar with the gun took it apart & showed me how sanitary the gun actually was through & through. That was store policy. GARY

 

[shawn mccarver]

He said "No, if you take down a new gun, you turn it into a used gun." . . . . I was wondering if anybody else has heard of anything like that?

Yes, the nonsense that spews forth from the mouths of those who own or who are employed by the "LGS" is second only to the lunatic ravings of many of the "Gun Show Dealers" who rave on about dry fire creating a "turn line" (how else do you check for timing issues) and other equally crazy stuff. I recently heard one of these clowns actually tell a customer that he was committing a felony by holding an AR pistol up to the shoulder.*

Skeeter Skelton once wrote of a fat gent sitting behind a table at a gun show, spewing fragments of cheese burger while making false representations to customers and selling supposedly rare Colt SAA revolvers that were fakes. That article was written in the 70s, and not too much has changed in the intervening 40 years.

*For those who came in late, the SIG PSB, or pistol stabilizing brace, is a lawful device to add to an AR pistol, and an ATF letter clearly states that firing an AR pistol so equipped from shoulder is NOT illegal, thereby making the gun shop commando guilty of giving bad legal advice to his unknowing customer. One wonders why the idiot would likely kill a sale, when the strong point of the PSB is the ability to fire the pistol from the shoulder, but you find that what many of these gun show/shop commandos lack in common sense is made up in bad manners, bad advice, and outright lies.

 

[A.O.]

Would the way a gun is taken down be a determining factor for purchase anyway?

ABSOLUTLY!!
I had a lady come in one time and just had to have a 1911 of some sort.. seen it in all the movies I suppose. This was to be her first gun.
After showing her the ups and downs of a 1911, and how it came apart and back together, then the 4 second disassembly of a Glock, she walked out happy as could be with her Glock. Which was the better gun for her any day of the week.

Without seeing it for herself, and just looking at different guns in their boxes she most likely would have bought the WRONG gun for her and never would have used it.

So YES..the way a gun is taken down is without a doubt a determining factor!

 

[Saudade]

If I can't see the gun taken down or feel the trigger why shouldn't I save myself 20% and buy it online instead of at the LGS?

A few include:

Support your local business.

Shipping and transfer fees (if applicable) may offset the 20%.

Some of us live in "restricted" states and have issues finding friendly dealers that will ship regardless of fees.

Otherwise no reason not to buy online. I buy many car parts online. I buy almost all of my ammo and magazines online.

At the end of the day, I consider the final cost to me.

Still my local LGS's (I have a bunch) are pretty friendly and enthusiasts too. It's nice to chat with them while I shop around.

 

[A.O.]

"Hey Mr LGS, Can I field strip that Nighthawk Custom or maybe that Wilson Combat".

Who said anything about the customer field stripping the weapon?

And yeah, there are always exceptions..

They will let you test drive a chevy, a Ferrari probably not.

 

[A.O.]

The Ruger Mark series pistols are notorious for requiring an intricate re-assembly procedure after field stripping. So, I would not expect ANY gun shop to provide a demonstration on that Ruger 22/45 Mark III. If you want more information on that spend some time on Youtube watching the videos.

As for simpler designs, there are a lot of different procedures for field stripping various firearms and some can involve small parts being launched into oblivion. So, unless a purchase has been made I really cannot blame a gunshop for being unwilling to demonstrate the field stripping procedure to some who is simply window shopping. If you are curious about a particular firearm it's a near certainty you can find it on Youtube so do your own homework.

Gun shops are in business to sell firearms and accessories, not provide free training or entertainment. So, you really shouldn't expect them engages in practices that don't provide any income.

YUP.. the heck with customer service anymore.. cant hardly get that anywhere anymore.I'll return to a place that has it!!

 

[Muss Muggins]

If I can't see the gun taken down or feel the trigger why shouldn't I save myself 20% and buy it online instead of at the LGS?

Because you'll have a live body to talk to if it goes wrong . . .

 

[A.O.]

Because you'll have a live body to talk to if it goes wrong . . .

Big deal if he has no idea how the gun works! unless of course that live body is female and in a bikini!

 

[LimaCharlie]

This why I don't buy display new guns unless there is a 10% discount for wear and tear.

 

[uncleted327]

A few include:

Support your local business.

Shipping and transfer fees (if applicable) may offset the 20%.

Some of us live in "restricted" states and have issues finding friendly dealers that will ship regardless of fees.

Otherwise no reason not to buy online. I buy many car parts online. I buy almost all of my ammo and magazines online.

At the end of the day, I consider the final cost to me.

Still my local LGS's (I have a bunch) are pretty friendly and enthusiasts too. It's nice to chat with them while I shop around.

First off I live in a restrictive state, NY, and have never had an issue getting what I want through Buds, Grabagun and other sites.

Second most big online shops like Buds and Grabagun either ship for free or damn close to it, and as far as the FFL transfer fee unless you're buying something very cheap you'll pay more in tax locally than the FFL will charge for the transfer, so you're still saving the 20%.

Third, as far as shopping locally I try to whenever possible, but in today's economy voluntarily deciding to pay $100 or $200+ more locally for the same item is not always possible, and if you mix in one of the less than accommodating LGS owners or workers like we are talking about it makes it an easy decision. I like to support the few good LGS all I can but if they want me to pay an extra 20% to support them the least they can do is pull the slide off a $500, $800, $1200 gun if I want to examine it before I buy it.

 

[coleslaw]

No excuse if the guy was rude, but I don't disagree with the rest of it. He doesn't know you and has no clue as to whether you have the ability to take it apart without damaging the finish, or not. If you already have an M&P, he may be assuming you just want to "play" with it, as you should already know how to field strip it.
Try the trigger on a rimfire? Not without a dummy or training round.

I wouldn't go back if the guy was rude, but it's his gun. You have to respect his decisions on how he wants it handled. Your choice on whether to buy it. Once it's yours, then you can teach yourself how to work on it all you like. Used guns are a different matter.

 

[timn8er]

A used gun I would expect to be allowed to field strip, whether I did it or the shop did it. I definitely want to see whats going on inside before I pop the cash out. When I used to really cruise the LGS's & pawn shops, I found out quickly who would work with me & who wouldn't, & adjusted my routes accordingly. It worked out well for me & one pawn shop in particular; They were always getting in primo 3rd Gens & they knew I would buy them. I bought at least four from them.

 

[Louchia]

If I or my wife are going to buy a new gun, I want to pull back the slide to feel the tension and how comfortable it is to operate. I also want to dry fire to feel the trigger. I would also like to see a basic take down and look inside. You do not want to spend $500-$1000 and take the gun home and find you are not happy with the workings. If they do not want to take down or let you handle the new one , he should have one that he uses for that purpose.