Would love to find a 4" no-dash to go with this one:
Its N836469, which doesn't appear to be included in the ranges listed above.
looks like there's some of that going around
nice gun
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photo of my new no dash 629
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looks like there's some of that going around
nice gun
It appears the list I provided is only a partial one. If I recall there was another page but I can't be certain. I'll keep digging
but no luck so far.
Keep in mind the 4" and the 8 3/8" no-dash P&R 629s were only made for about 9 months and then the transitional guns without either the pin or recessed cylinder arrived so S&W could use up the already manufactured no-dash parts...
It certainly wouldn't surprise me if P&R no-dash guns exist outside the range of any published information. We're all aware of the incomplete or elusive info S&W is notorious for.
More specifics and detail could probably be provided by Roy Jinks or Doc 44. They may have to be the "go to guys" for additional info on numbers not included on the page I provided if I can't find another page...
but no luck so far.
Keep in mind the 4" and the 8 3/8" no-dash P&R 629s were only made for about 9 months and then the transitional guns without either the pin or recessed cylinder arrived so S&W could use up the already manufactured no-dash parts...
It certainly wouldn't surprise me if P&R no-dash guns exist outside the range of any published information. We're all aware of the incomplete or elusive info S&W is notorious for.
More specifics and detail could probably be provided by Roy Jinks or Doc 44. They may have to be the "go to guys" for additional info on numbers not included on the page I provided if I can't find another page...
With a reviewing of the list again.... Taroman's 629 is on the list. The range of serial numbers goes to N841*** and his is well below that at N836***.
The only serial number outside the range, so far, is your N855***. You have stated that gun was NIB when you got it so it is an original P&R and not a pinned "transitional"gun that had a recessed cylinder added later for some reason....
If others have found their serial numbers outside the ranges listed so far please post it here....
The only serial number outside the range, so far, is your N855***. You have stated that gun was NIB when you got it so it is an original P&R and not a pinned "transitional"gun that had a recessed cylinder added later for some reason....
If others have found their serial numbers outside the ranges listed so far please post it here....
I must not be reading the list correctly.
836*** doesn't appear in the ranges listed, unless we assume that numbers between those ranges are implied to be there, too.
All from 733*** to 841*** are assumed to be 629s?
836*** doesn't appear in the ranges listed, unless we assume that numbers between those ranges are implied to be there, too.
All from 733*** to 841*** are assumed to be 629s?
Sorry for bombarding you with all this... So
Thanks for chiming back in.
N855 is as right has the day is long. Its 100% nib, factory test fired only, its been cycled only enough to spread some oil around. Thanks for all your help so far ,Terry. You've gone above and beyond already anything else is just icing on the cake, as far has I'm concerned. Good luck finding the other documents, I know you'll share them if you do.
Chris
Whoa!! What a great bunch of 629 4" no dash guns. Thanks for posting the pictures and the data.
greenmachine
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My 6" no-dash is N8410xx, just barely within your range. My 4" is 8555xx, which, like the 8 3/8 mentioned above is somewhat later.
The photos below show two Model 629s. The first is the only one made by S&W with a 5-inch barrel and dates to October 1981. It has serial number N875528. The second one has serial number N629100 and is an original prototype that was one of six assembled in November 1978 and taken to a show in Denver by Roy Jinks. The Model 629 was announced at a press conference there on December 1, 1978.
It is unknown how many P&R guns by barrel length were produced, but the 6-inch is the most common, followed by the other two barrel lengths. It would require a search of S&W's records to determine the actual number of each barrel length made in the P&R configuration. Maybe that will be done some day.
I suspect P&R guns went at least to serial number N890000, but that is only a guess on my part.
Click on each photo for a better look.
Bill
It is unknown how many P&R guns by barrel length were produced, but the 6-inch is the most common, followed by the other two barrel lengths. It would require a search of S&W's records to determine the actual number of each barrel length made in the P&R configuration. Maybe that will be done some day.
I suspect P&R guns went at least to serial number N890000, but that is only a guess on my part.
Click on each photo for a better look.
Bill
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And there we have the answers from the true authority on the subject.....Doc44.
I spent all afternoon yesterday trying to find info on barrel length production for the 629s and to no avail -- because none, as I had recollected, apparently exist (brain fade is a terrible thing to admit..)
I guess we'll all have to be satisfied with what we do know, both from personal observation and actual experience. The six inch P&R 629 guns were made for a long period of time prior to document-able production start-up of the 4 and 8 3/8" P&R guns.
We do know even more confusion exists with the apparent co-mingling of serial numbers with other calibers and finishes during that time frame. We do know how uncommon it is, and was, to see the 4", and especially the 8 3/8", available for sale, both at the time of manufacture and today. We do know that at the end of the serial number list for the 629 "transitional" guns in all frames and finishes were in full swing. We do know that when "transitional" guns began to appear it was because P&R parts were exhausted or had become non-existent. Doc's five inch 629 was a one-off gun and the high serial number of that particular gun wouldn't convince me that normal P&R guns were being produced up to that date and serial number... but what do I know...
I believe it is prudent to assume if complete P&R guns were produced after the "transitional" period began their numbers were very, very small. It seems strange that even "ball park" numbers don't exist somewhere but that seems to be the reality.
If you've got a P&R 629 for sale I'm still buyin'....
I spent all afternoon yesterday trying to find info on barrel length production for the 629s and to no avail -- because none, as I had recollected, apparently exist (brain fade is a terrible thing to admit..)
I guess we'll all have to be satisfied with what we do know, both from personal observation and actual experience. The six inch P&R 629 guns were made for a long period of time prior to document-able production start-up of the 4 and 8 3/8" P&R guns.
We do know even more confusion exists with the apparent co-mingling of serial numbers with other calibers and finishes during that time frame. We do know how uncommon it is, and was, to see the 4", and especially the 8 3/8", available for sale, both at the time of manufacture and today. We do know that at the end of the serial number list for the 629 "transitional" guns in all frames and finishes were in full swing. We do know that when "transitional" guns began to appear it was because P&R parts were exhausted or had become non-existent. Doc's five inch 629 was a one-off gun and the high serial number of that particular gun wouldn't convince me that normal P&R guns were being produced up to that date and serial number... but what do I know...
I believe it is prudent to assume if complete P&R guns were produced after the "transitional" period began their numbers were very, very small. It seems strange that even "ball park" numbers don't exist somewhere but that seems to be the reality.
If you've got a P&R 629 for sale I'm still buyin'....
Terry...N875528 was shipped in October 1981 so it was made before S&W deleted the barrel pin and cylinder with embedded headspace (in 1982). Some forum members may have some higher numbered 629s that are P&R. It would be nice if these numbers were posted.
Bill
Bill
Bill,
Thanks for stopping by and answering my question. I took a minute and read your commentary on N 629100 today, what an awesome piece of S&W history.
Terry,
I'd just like to thank you again for all your help. Its always a pleasure reading your posts and looking at your great photos.
Thank you both
Chris
Thanks for stopping by and answering my question. I took a minute and read your commentary on N 629100 today, what an awesome piece of S&W history.
Terry,
I'd just like to thank you again for all your help. Its always a pleasure reading your posts and looking at your great photos.
Thank you both
Chris
Bill,
Am I correct in assuming all three of mine( I added full numbers to previous post above )including the translational 4" gun, to be shipped earlier than 10/81 ?
The 629s I would think definitely shipped prior to my 5-inch. The frame of the 6291 may have been numbered earlier, but it is quite possible it shipped sometime in 1982 after the P&R features were discontinued. I say this because the 1 was probably added as the revolver was being manufactured. It is most likely one of the early 629-1s. The fact the frame is pinned goes along with this explanation.
Bill
Bill
kitman
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my 629 no dash
I have a 6 inch 629 no dash.While 6 inch is probably most common lenght, but condition is what is nice on this one.Gun still has factory oil and oil residue just as it left smith with.Grips appear almost unfinished.Retains labeled outer cardboard box,plain blue box,and the display box still has the plastic around it.It has never been removed or tore.Papers and unopened tools included.I bought from dealer that got it from smith in early 80's.Truley a time capsule.As you can tell I am pretty proud of this one.Me and the dealer are the only owners,ever.Thanks.
kitman
I have a 6 inch 629 no dash.While 6 inch is probably most common lenght, but condition is what is nice on this one.Gun still has factory oil and oil residue just as it left smith with.Grips appear almost unfinished.Retains labeled outer cardboard box,plain blue box,and the display box still has the plastic around it.It has never been removed or tore.Papers and unopened tools included.I bought from dealer that got it from smith in early 80's.Truley a time capsule.As you can tell I am pretty proud of this one.Me and the dealer are the only owners,ever.Thanks.
kitman
Chris...Is your 6291 stamped MOD-6291 or M. 6291? If it is stamped MOD-6291 the frame was made and stamped prior to 1982, but the revolver was completed later and the 1 was added at that time. I have only owned one 629-1 (N932000 range) and it was stamped M. 629-1 (not enough space in the yoke cut for MOD-629-1).
It would be interesting to obtain a shipping date for N872196.
The P&R Model 629s are finally becoming "collectibles" and with this interest, I am sure production numbers will eventually be known.
Bill
It would be interesting to obtain a shipping date for N872196.
The P&R Model 629s are finally becoming "collectibles" and with this interest, I am sure production numbers will eventually be known.
Bill
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Chris.... Sorry about the partial hijack of your post but I believe some clarification may be needed not only for me but for others visiting here.
For Doc44.....
Hi Bill...
I guess I'm still very confused. I've had the impression the list I posted earlier on this thread was a reference relating to the serial number range, production date and actual numbers of 629 no-dash guns that were produced, at least to the last date shown.
I find myself embarrassed to say I've used that list several times during 629 transactions and now I'm hearing there are no existing production numbers. If no actual numbers exist for 629 production how and why did that list showing at least those specific numbers materialize? For me the existence of that Roy Jinks letter seems even more mysterious than the guns themselves.
Each date shows a number following that date that would indicate specific numbers of 629 guns were produced within that serial number range. I can understand them not being broken down by barrel length. Are those invalid numbers and should that letter be deemed the same?
I have the three P&R barrel lengths purchased NIB "in the day" in my collection that remain that way. I also have a 6 and a 4 inch no-dash P&R that I am currently in the process of trading. Should I consider the list as a reference invalid for future use?
I always appreciate your knowledge and expertise. Thanks for any enlightenment you can provide!
Terry
For Doc44.....
Hi Bill...
I guess I'm still very confused. I've had the impression the list I posted earlier on this thread was a reference relating to the serial number range, production date and actual numbers of 629 no-dash guns that were produced, at least to the last date shown.
I find myself embarrassed to say I've used that list several times during 629 transactions and now I'm hearing there are no existing production numbers. If no actual numbers exist for 629 production how and why did that list showing at least those specific numbers materialize? For me the existence of that Roy Jinks letter seems even more mysterious than the guns themselves.
Each date shows a number following that date that would indicate specific numbers of 629 guns were produced within that serial number range. I can understand them not being broken down by barrel length. Are those invalid numbers and should that letter be deemed the same?
I have the three P&R barrel lengths purchased NIB "in the day" in my collection that remain that way. I also have a 6 and a 4 inch no-dash P&R that I am currently in the process of trading. Should I consider the list as a reference invalid for future use?
I always appreciate your knowledge and expertise. Thanks for any enlightenment you can provide!
Terry
Terry...the list is titled Early Model 629s and is valid up through January 15, 1981, but it was not intended to identify every P&R Model 629 produced. There were P&R 629s produced after January 15, 1981. When S&W began to transition from the the 629 to the 629-1 is not known to me, but if collectors begin to pool the data on their guns, perhaps we can figure it out. 1982 is the accepted year for changing from the 629 to the 629-1 (and from the 29-2 to the 29-3), but when the engineering change was authorized is not known. However, I believe most of 1981 saw the production of P&R Model 629s. When I said there were no production numbers I was speaking in terms of total P&R 629 production and numbers by barrel length.
Bill
Bill
Hi Bill!
The gun in question is stamped, MOD-6291.
I've attached a photo below. Hopefully you can make it out.
Chris
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