Show your Roper grips

What exactly is going on with that gun.

I see an HBH hammer on what looks like a post war 5 screw something?

Quoted directly from factory letter.
"Factory records state this handgun was shipped on February 2, 1944 and delivered to Holman Spence, East Longmeadow, MA., approved by David Murray, Sales Department Smith & Wesson. Mr. Jinks states "Based on the fact that the revolver has a refinish mark from March 1941, it would be my opinion that it was built from parts that had been in the factory and reworked prior to the assembly of the handgun in 1944. Mr. Spence was a toolmaker at Smith & Wesson and wrote an article for me about the company that was published in two parts in the July 1972 and December 1972 Smith & Wesson Collectors Association Newsletter." It has a humpback hammer that is not mentioned in Jinks' letter.

I bought this from a dealer near Spence's home. It was rare for Smith & Wesson to produce anything other then Victory Models during WWII.
 
Here is a set of fully checkered Ropers for a Colt Officer's Model. Note, on the back "HB" is carved into the right grip panel. These were found on a (albeit trashed) Colt OM Heavy Barrel .38. Now they reside on my King Sighted OM .38.

Fantastic! Those Colt Ropers look much better than I expected! Congrads!
 
Quoted directly from factory letter.
"Factory records state this handgun was shipped on February 2, 1944 and delivered to Holman Spence, East Longmeadow, MA., approved by David Murray, Sales Department Smith & Wesson. Mr. Jinks states "Based on the fact that the revolver has a refinish mark from March 1941, it would be my opinion that it was built from parts that had been in the factory and reworked prior to the assembly of the handgun in 1944. Mr. Spence was a toolmaker at Smith & Wesson and wrote an article for me about the company that was published in two parts in the July 1972 and December 1972 Smith & Wesson Collectors Association Newsletter." It has a humpback hammer that is not mentioned in Jinks' letter.

I bought this from a dealer near Spence's home. It was rare for Smith & Wesson to produce anything other then Victory Models during WWII.

Wow. That's far more fascinating then I could have imagined.

I get the impression that if I ever come into physical contact with your collection I will spontaneously combust due to envy.
 
KB Ropers on a 5" Triple Lock

I displayed these a while ago on this thread:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/342516-s-w-44-hand-ejector-1st-model-1103-a.html

Since they are appropriate to this thread, here they are again. My nice set of Keith Brown Ropers on my 5" Triple Lock.

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Keith is the master. I have no doubt that 75 years from now his work will be admired on a level with those masters of 75 years ago.

Curl
 
Wow. That's far more fascinating then I could have imagined.

I get the impression that if I ever come into physical contact with your collection I will spontaneously combust due to envy.

Are you going to be in Spokane. I'm planning on going, but, a four day drive will limit the amount of guns I bring. I displayed my Roper collection at Columbus.
 
Here are two more pair. The Birdseye Maples I got from an employee at Smith & Wesson. He got them from a long time employee. The Tiger Stripe Maple I got on a Pre War K-22. Bought the gun for the grips. I don't have a gun to put either pair on that I feel are worthy of either pair.
 

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Here are two more pair. The Birdseye Maples I got from an employee at Smith & Wesson. He got them from a long time employee. The Tiger Stripe Maple I got on a Pre War K-22. Bought the gun for the grips. I don't have a gun to put either pair on that I feel are worthy of either pair.

WHOA........those two pair might be the nicest 2 pair that I have ever seen!!!! I guess that also proves that Roper did have (though seldom used) a premium woodpile.
 
I displayed these a while ago on this thread:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/342516-s-w-44-hand-ejector-1st-model-1103-a.html

Since they are appropriate to this thread, here they are again. My nice set of Keith Brown Ropers on my 5" Triple Lock.

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Keith is the master. I have no doubt that 75 years from now his work will be admired on a level with those masters of 75 years ago.

Curl

Finally a set on a fixed sight revolver. I was starting to believe people only put Ropers on target models. Thanks for showing your tl. Would like to find a set for my pre war hd that has miss-matched stocks.DSCN0990.jpg

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This 1st Issue Detective Special was apparently customized by the King Custom Sight Co. around 1939. According to a contemporaneous King catalog, these were "Double Action" Roper grips.




This interests me greatly, I have 2 guns with those exact fixed target sights, and another with those target sights and that hammer.

I've not been able to find anything to indicate King did the work. Do you by any chance have the catalog page that lists this? The hammer seems to be something that was modified by the same person as the sights, and while it's similar to a King Cockeyed Hammer, it's not exactly the same. I believe there are a couple others out there who have similar hammers, but not the hammer/sight combo.

I was actually planning on getting good pictures of my guns that were modified in this way and doing a post on them when mine with both the hammer and sights arrive.

As far as the Ropers on it go, any chance of seeing the backs of them?
 
I would refer to those as roper style. I don't believe them to be Ropers. The hardware is all wrong.
 
This is a set of Keith's Ropers on a model 58 that Hamilton converted to 45 Colt with a model 25 barrel and his fixed sight. I guess you could call it a half adjustable/half fixed sighted gun.


 
I would refer to those as roper style. I don't believe them to be Ropers. The hardware is all wrong.

What "hardware" are you talking about? I've examined this gun first hand and believe these to be authentic Ropers, FWIW.

Regards,
Kevin Williams
 
What "hardware" are you talking about? I've examined this gun first hand and believe these to be authentic Ropers, FWIW.

Regards,
Kevin Williams

Kevin,

I think he is referring to the escutcheons and screw.

I do not believe those are Ropers either. Everything is wrong, not just the hardware. The diamond, checkering, ribbon, overall shape, everything.
 
Kevin,

I think he is referring to the escutcheons and screw.

I do not believe those are Ropers either. Everything is wrong, not just the hardware. The diamond, checkering, ribbon, overall shape, everything.

I agree,Short of seeing the back of the Stocks they do not look correct to me.They are not nearly as refined as most of the Ropers I have seen.
 
I agree,Short of seeing the back of the Stocks they do not look correct to me.They are not nearly as refined as most of the Ropers I have seen.

Hi 05CarbonDRZ
I have learned the hard way that Nothing is chisled in stone with Roper stock's. I have observed Many pair's of Matheis Gagne's stock's in the past Ten or so Year's and I can tell you that the stock making process DID change through the year's that Matheis Gagne produced his stock's. We as Collector's or Lover's of Roper stock's have to Fully understand that there were actually Three people that made& worked on Roper stock's through the time span that they were offered the latest stock maker Being Matheis Gagne's son Albert Gagne, who Later went on to work for S&W as well as shoot on their Company shooting Team and I Further feel, that it was he that was designer of the Famous Coke Bottle profile Diamond Target stock's as they shared much of his Father's design in them. It has been said that Matheis Gagne did not use any or Much of the high grain definition wood in his stock's, But I beg to differ with that comment as I have a Nicely Grained set of Roper's stock's as shown below It has also been said that if the Square Peg hole's are Not present on the back of his stock's, that they are Not Roper's, Well That is Very Untrue or at best a Long carried Myth as well as here is a Pair of them that do Not have the Square peg hole's that the Expert's seem to claim ALL Roper stock's have to have. :rolleyes: We as Collector's, Boastfull Self Proclaimed Expert's, or just simply every day reader's of this Printed material that we So Thrive on as being Biblical in every way tend to always' believe Just what has been printed or said in these Book's about Matheis Gagne's, work Habit's or Supposedly Just how they Manufactured their Stock's. well as a Person who Love's Roper's stock's too I can safely say Now, that All Thing's change as time roll's On as does the Process of how they were Really made whether we want to believe it or not, Tend's to be Our Own Plain Old Stubborness to believe other wise or our Complete Ignorance of these time Proven facts.
Regards, Hammerdown

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Kevin,

I think he is referring to the escutcheons and screw.

I do not believe those are Ropers either. Everything is wrong, not just the hardware. The diamond, checkering, ribbon, overall shape, everything.

Correct. And the diamond is to large and in my opinion the quality and overall shape is not Roper quality.
 
Hammerdown..while I understand what you are saying..I am a Roper collector and have done a lot of study on them and personally own over 20 pair. I use my knowledge to verify if they are real Ropers. I don't just use the jig holes as proof...I use a combination of things like quality..shape ...tool marks...diamond..just to name a few.
 
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