M&P15 Optic Suggestions

You say 200 yards or less.....

That is good because honestly the 223/5.56 after 200 yards is basically a fast .22. After 200 yards (on a 20inch barrel) the round fails to tumble and fragment, it just pokes a .22 hole.

IMHO throw out scopes all together. They are slow, with unforgiving eye relief.

I personally run a EXPS 2.0 Eotech. The larger window of the Eotech's allow you to not have a perfect cheek weld and still see the reticle. Tube style red dots are less forgiving when it comes in-perfect cheek welds.

The reticle of the Eotech is multi-purpose. The large 65MOA circle should be treated as a big fat red dot. Place it on a torso size target at closer ranges and squeeze the trigger. Used like that just forget about the dot in the middle. That large circle grabs you eyes very fast compared to small red dot optic.

The 1 MOA dot is for long range. Used like this just ignore the 65MOA circle. 1 MOA on say a 6-8inch steel plate at 200 is better than 2-4 MOA.

There is way more to the reticle as well. Best to read up on it. For example a average man size target (head to toe) fits in the 65MOA circle at 100 yards. From the bottom of the circle to the 1MOA dot that man size target is at 200 yards. Kind of like a rage find of sorts. As I said read up on it.

I have used a Eotech Magnifier with my rifle and to be honest it is not worth the $$$$. It helps with identification at longer ranges, but you add the tube view and you need to get your eye relief just right. It also adds weight to an already heavy optic setup.

I like that fact that Eotech's are made in the US and have great customer service. I like the XPS line because it takes a CR-123 battery, which is the same kind of battery the light on my rifle and pistol use. So I only need to pack 1 battery type.

I think AimPoint makes fine NON-US made optics. If battery life is your number 1 concern then they are the best option. That said some of them, like the AimPoint Pro take some odd battery types are and not easy to find.

If you are on a budget, then I would also consider the Vortex Sparc - 2 (not 1). A US company but Chinese made. The newer -2 model is getting great reviews.
 
Looks great.

I would recommend mounting it further forward. Get it in the very last slot on the upper receiver. This will help with field of view and make the reticle appear a little larger.
I'll try that -- thanks for the info ;)
 
Battery life on the PRO is 30,000 hours(almost 3.5 years) if you leave it on all the time.
Not a whole lot of demand for extras, maybe one??? :confused:

I change the battery in my PRO every year, just to be on the safe side, and I always have a few spares...just in case. I leave mine on all the time like it was designed to be used. Just pick it up and it's ready.

Not having a spare battery or two for a powered optic is a lot like driving without a spare tire to me.
 
OK, I'm going to get beat up for this, but...

Trying to save money on optics is like discount dentistry. You can do it, but often you'll spend more in the long run.

If speed of acquisition is your main goal, nothing is better than the EOTech. If super long battery life is needed, like you're going to use the gun for home defense and need to leave the optic on for more than 8 hours at a time, then Aimpoint is the only choice (PA makes a decent red dot, but I haven't seen it really tested yet). Both of these are good choices for quick acquisition and groups of +/-2MOA out to 200 yards.

If precision is more your game, then a magnified optic is the only way to go. I have one of these: Leatherwood Hi-Lux CMR Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 1-4x 24mm Illuminated CMR and have been very satisfied with it and I'm really picky. Even so, I would recommend this one more: Vortex® Viper PST 1-4x24 Riflescope FREE S&H Vortex PST-14ST-A, PST-14ST-M DISCOUNT Vortex Viper PST Riflescope The one with the MRAD reticle is the right tool. They are super tough and very precise. It is right at your limit, but worth every penny and more.

The 3-9x scopes are great, but not really in the vein of this type of rifle. The 1-4x is better suited for quick acquisition at 1x, but precision shooting at 4x.

I would counsel you to steer clear of cheap optics. The pain of poor quality lasts long after the elation of low price wears off.

I took your advice & purchased an Aimpoint Pro. It is mounted on my M&P15 Sport. I wanted something with no magnification, I could leave it on for extended periods, and it would be very durable.

So far I love it. It is the perfect optic for my uses. I've used it only at 25 yards in an indoor range. Next Wednesday I'll be heading to an outdoor range where I can use it at 100 yards.

Thanks for your recommendations!
 
You say 200 yards or less.....

That is good because honestly the 223/5.56 after 200 yards is basically a fast .22. After 200 yards (on a 20inch barrel) the round fails to tumble and fragment, it just pokes a .22 hole.

Only if you are using something like XM-193. But, there are other rounds available that expand instead of yawing and some that reliably expand down to around 1800 fps or slower. That equates out to over 300 yards in a 16 or even 14.5" barrel.
 
AR Optics

Take a look at C-Mor tactical and Railway sights. Variable brightness, very accurate, low power draw. Available all day log for under $400 at MidwayUSA
 
Only if you are using something like XM-193. But, there are other rounds available that expand instead of yawing and some that reliably expand down to around 1800 fps or slower. That equates out to over 300 yards in a 16 or even 14.5" barrel.

Sure and those rounds are going to cost you a lot...

Black Hills Ammo 223 Remington 62 Grain Barnes Triple-Shock X Bullet

Not something you will be plinking or training with on a regular basis.

XM-193 which is pretty much the original 5.56 round (55grn) is plentiful. I am buying a 1000 rounds for just under $300 right now. M-855 green tip is actually worse in terms of tumble/fragmentation. I have read it is good out 150 yards on a 16inch and 100 yards on a 14.5inch.
 
Yes, as others have indicated, with your budget an Aimpoint or Eotech is doable for a non-magnified red dot.

Since you indicate hunting as your second use though, I would lean more towards a 1-4x optic, such as the Burris Fullfield Tac30, Bushnell 1-4x throw down PCL, or Leupold Hog Scope...

First link is a combo from Burris that includes scope, mount, and a Fast Fire III red dot that could be mounted on another firearm.
https://www.primaryarms.com/Burris_Fullfield_TAC30_Riflescope_Ballistic_CQ_R_p/bu200433-ff.htm

Bushnell - 1-4x 24mm Throw Down PCL

Leupold Optics VX?HOG 1-4x20mm - | Leupold Optics

I am sure there are others as well, but these will give you some ideas.

Will the A2 front sight cause any issues with sighting the Bushnell Throwdown?
 
Sure and those rounds are going to cost you a lot...

Black Hills Ammo 223 Remington 62 Grain Barnes Triple-Shock X Bullet

Not something you will be plinking or training with on a regular basis.

XM-193 which is pretty much the original 5.56 round (55grn) is plentiful. I am buying a 1000 rounds for just under $300 right now. M-855 green tip is actually worse in terms of tumble/fragmentation. I have read it is good out 150 yards on a 16inch and 100 yards on a 14.5inch.

I use the XM-193 for training but I keep Hornady 5.56mm TAP LE 55gr GMX Barrier loaded for defense, or if I use it for hunting that will be the rounds I use. It is suitable for carbine length unlike the Hornady Superformance. I just purchased a 200 round box for $169.50 plus $12.00 shipping.

200 Round Case - 5.56mm Hornady TAP LE 55 Grain GMX Barrier Ammo - 81255 | SGAmmo.com

It is substantially cheaper than the Blackhills or anything loaded with the Barnes. It performs better with barriers, penetrates deeper, and has the same point of impact and ballistics as the XM-193.

There are other choices that are slightly cheaper but I don't believe they perform as well. Like many things, to a certain degree you get what you pay for. The XM-193 performs well if/when it yaws. But it doesn't always yaw soon enough irregardless of the velocity.
 
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Thank You All for the Great Advice

M&P15T, 1:8 twist, 16" barrel, EOTech EXPS2-0, Federal 5.56 62g. Took about 10 shots to get the optic on at 50 yards; windage was off just a tad, but elevation took 16 clicks up. Once sighted, the AR and EOTech managed to cut out about a 3/4" circle in the X ring from a rest (which is great for a 67 year old fart like me). Later went out to 100 and 200 yards rested and found the sight did just fine. 2" groups at 100, 4" at 200 rested. The EXPS2-0 is all those who recommended it you said it would be -- VERY happy with it. Again, thanks for the advice, patience, and recommendations.
 
OS-Wiz,

Very nice shooting! Is the 62gr load you were using the XM855? If so that's more impressive. I'll be very happy if I get similar results when I try my Aimpoint Pro. I've always been a fan of iron sights until I needed bifocals.
 
OS-Wiz,

Very nice shooting! Is the 62gr load you were using the XM855? If so that's more impressive. I'll be very happy if I get similar results when I try my Aimpoint Pro. I've always been a fan of iron sights until I needed bifocals.
XM855LC1 rounds. Came in an ammo can, 420 rounds in 10 round stripper clips. Ironic that you mention bifocals as I have tri-focals :D I have my optometrist set my tri-focal to focus at the front site of my S&W M&P Shield and the bi-focal to focus at computer key board while seated. The top lenses have no correction. Initially I didn't like the EXPS2 then realized I wasn't looking thru the tri-focal. So, rifle or pistol, I probably look a little weird when shooting with my head tilted back a little to sight thru the tri-focal, but I'd rather look a little funny and hit the target!
 
OS-Wiz,

Very nice shooting! Is the 62gr load you were using the XM855? If so that's more impressive. I'll be very happy if I get similar results when I try my Aimpoint Pro. I've always been a fan of iron sights until I needed bifocals.
I should have mentioned that, 35 years ago, my U.S. Marine brother-in-law ripped my rifle out of my hands the first time he watched me shoot :D Needless to say, he drilled me on how to shoot a rifle the Marine way until HE was satisfied :eek:
 
That's what I use (actually H1).

Small, light, simple and extremely reliable. IMO, that's what a 1x red dot should be for a battle rifle.

I use the same one the Aimpoint H1 and I set it to its lowest setting and it's very accurate. I use it on my Ruger SR 556 and I love it
 
I tried running red dot sights, but my aging eyes needed the magnification. I have been happy with the Burris MTAC 1-4 scope. Good eye relief, large field of view, easy brightness adjustment, and lighter than other comparable 30mm scopes.

My S&W next to the AK74
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M&P15T, 1:8 twist, 16" barrel, EOTech EXPS2-0, Federal 5.56 62g. Took about 10 shots to get the optic on at 50 yards; windage was off just a tad, but elevation took 16 clicks up. Once sighted, the AR and EOTech managed to cut out about a 3/4" circle in the X ring from a rest (which is great for a 67 year old fart like me). Later went out to 100 and 200 yards rested and found the sight did just fine. 2" groups at 100, 4" at 200 rested. The EXPS2-0 is all those who recommended it you said it would be -- VERY happy with it. Again, thanks for the advice, patience, and recommendations.

I got to shoot my Sport at 50 & 100 yards today with my new Aimpoint Pro. I was happy as I had similar results to yours. Best group was 5 rounds in 3/4" at 50yds with XM-193. I had a couple of good 3 round groups with Hornady 5.56mm 55gr GMX that each measured 1 1/16". Those were my last two groups at 100 yards. I was either lucky or getting dialed in better with a consistent sight picture & trigger control. But most were around 1 3/4" with either GMX or XM-193 & some groups were a mediocre 2 3/4 to 3". That wasn't due to the ammo or rifle, that was my poor shooting. I haven't done anything off a bench in years, and very little with rifles. Most of my experience off a bench was with a revolver 35 years ago.

Overall, I really like this Aimpoint Pro. It suits my needs perfectly. And, I was happy with the GMX. As far as I could tell it has the same point of impact as the XM-193.
 
I got to shoot my Sport at 50 & 100 yards today with my new Aimpoint Pro. I was happy as I had similar results to yours. Best group was 5 rounds in 3/4" at 50yds with XM-193. I had a couple of good 3 round groups with Hornady 5.56mm 55gr GMX that each measured 1 1/16". Those were my last two groups at 100 yards. I was either lucky or getting dialed in better with a consistent sight picture & trigger control. But most were around 1 3/4" with either GMX or XM-193 & some groups were a mediocre 2 3/4 to 3". That wasn't due to the ammo or rifle, that was my poor shooting. I haven't done anything off a bench in years, and very little with rifles. Most of my experience off a bench was with a revolver 35 years ago.

Overall, I really like this Aimpoint Pro. It suits my needs perfectly. And, I was happy with the GMX. As far as I could tell it has the same point of impact as the XM-193.
Thanks for checking back in with your initial results. Sounds like the Aimpoint suits your needs well. "And, I was happy with the GMX. As far as I could tell it has the same point of impact as the XM-193." Good to know, thanks.
 
Yipee!

Dropped in a Rock River National Match 2 stage trigger and hammer in my M&P15T. Wow, what a difference from stock. Helped me tighten up my groups too. Stringing touching shots at 50 yards, 3 inch group at 100 yards. M855 ammo. Caught it on sale for $108.
 
The Sparc is not magnified, shooting out to 150 yards I would go with a low powered scope. If your eyesight is not as good as it used to be I would try looking through a red dot before buying one, if you have any sort of astigmatism the dot will look disfigured i.e. not round, another reason to go with some sort of scope.
 
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