A FEW GOOD REASONS NOT TO USE OPTICS ON A EDC/CCW GUN

[AJ]

Indexing? A new word for the new generation. I have always said find a gun that you like. If the grips don't fit you then change them to something you do like. What is so hard about that? I have gone through several sets of grips for the J-Frame S&W's. What I like best is the Hogue Mono grips. The style and size will be dictated by what feels good to you. If the gun feels comfortable in your hand.

 

[Well Armed]

I also love how people who used irons all their lives and put the time and effort in training with them will try a red dot once or a handful of times and then come to the conclusion that red dots are inferior and they are faster with irons.... No **** Sherlock! If you used optics your entire life, and if you used red dots all your life and tried irons only a handful of times, you'd sucked very badly with using irons.

For those who train and put somewhat equal effort into both sighting systems, red dots are more often than not preferred.

As others have stated, there are a lot of assumptions, willful ignorance, and misinformation in the thread. What I see is a lot of people who have did things one way their entire lives, so they're close-minded and do not want to like anything different no matter what. Those who are younger 40s and younger and/or new to firearms tend to be open to experiencing both, learning both, and are less hostile.

 

[AJ]

I also love how people who used irons all their lives and put the time and effort in training with them will try a red dot once or a handful of times and then come to the conclusion that red dots are inferior and they are faster with irons.... No **** Sherlock! If you used optics your entire life, and if you used red dots all your life and tried irons only a handful of times, you'd sucked very badly with using irons.

For those who train and put somewhat equal effort into both sighting systems, red dots are more often than not preferred.

As others have stated, there are a lot of assumptions, willful ignorance, and misinformation in the thread. What I see is a lot of people who have did things one way their entire lives, so they're close-minded and do not want to like anything different no matter what. Those who are younger 40s and younger and/or new to firearms tend to be open to experiencing both, learning both, and are less hostile.

Everybody is different and they way they do things is different. That is what makes each person unique. Just because they do not agree with you does not mean they are wrong or close minded. Just accept that some do not like Brand A and prefer Brand B.

Look at the Poll on this subject. You are in the minority, guess that makes you right.

PM me if you want to continue this........

 

[Well Armed]

Everybody is different and they way they do things is different. That is what makes each person unique. Just because they do not agree with you does not mean they are wrong or close minded. Just accept that some do not like Brand A and prefer Brand B.

Look at the Poll on this subject. You are in the minority, guess that makes you right.

PM me if you want to continue this........

First, I didn't say or imply that anyone was closed minded for not agreeing with me. The context in my post clearly says I believe in my opinion that many of the people who don't like optics and critics them just because they've done something one way their entire lives are being closed-minded in on this topic. Now if they put effort into and have experience with both, then that's different. I too can be closed-minded when it comes to how things were when I was younger vs how my children and others do things now. I too was "closed-minded" about optics, and I can even link to years old post of mine on other forums. Once I started to put effort into training and getting good with them, my opinion changed. My initial opinion on the topic was bias.

Next, those who use optics on carry guns might be in the huge minority on this forum, but I do not believe this forum represents the market. This same poll on GlockTalk, ar15.com, and many other forums with a younger crowd will show different results. Likewise, if I did a poll for revolver carriers on this forum or even Thehighroad.org where the members are typically older in age, the poll will be completely different than if done on HKPro.com, GlockTalk.com, AR15.com, etc. The poll here is a representation of the members on this forum and not the entire market where optics on carry pistols is very popular and common.

Last, I still stand by my prior statements. A lot of people who are claiming they were better with irons than reddots can not really make an informed opinion without putting equal or at least an honest effort into both systems. And I also believe many, not all, of the members who are bashing reddots are doing so because they're use to doing things one way, and beleive anything new is not needed and can't be better. That's based off some of the comments I've read, and NOT because others have different opinion than me like you asserted.

 

[AJ]

First, I didn't say or imply that anyone was closed minded for not agreeing with me. The context in my post clearly says I believe in my opinion that many of the people who don't like optics and critics them just because they've done something one way their entire lives are being closed-minded in on this topic. Now if they put effort into and have experience with both, then that's different. I too can be closed-minded when it comes to how things were when I was younger vs how my children and others do things now. I too was "closed-minded" about optics, and I can even link to years old post of mine on other forums. Once I started to put effort into training and getting good with them, my opinion changed. My initial opinion on the topic was bias.

Next, those who use optics on carry guns might be in the huge minority on this forum, but I do not believe this forum represents the market. This same poll on GlockTalk, ar15.com, and many other forums with a younger crowd will show different results. Likewise, if I did a poll for revolver carriers on this forum or even Thehighroad.org where the members are typically older in age, the poll will be completely different than if done on HKPro.com, GlockTalk.com, AR15.com, etc. The poll here is a representation of the members on this forum and not the entire market where optics on carry pistols is very popular and common.

Last, I still stand by my prior statements. A lot of people who are claiming they were better with irons than reddots can not really make an informed opinion without putting equal or at least an honest effort into both systems. And I also believe many, not all, of the members who are bashing reddots are doing so because they're use to doing things one way, and beleive anything new is not needed and can't be better. That's based off some of the comments I've read, and NOT because others have different opinion than me like you asserted.

Please reread the last line of my Post #83..........

 

[Wyo]

So I said above that red dots are the wave of the future - maybe, maybe not. Note I did not say they were always better. That’s a different discussion.Anyway, I ran across this discussion by Ken Hackathorn. I have a lot of respect for anyone with as much experience as he has and this is a really interesting talk with a lot of good points, many if which are mentioned above. Bottom line, everyone is a little bit right here. Watch this and then decide if your opinion remains the same.
Ken Hackathorn analyzes Red Dot Sights on handguns and gives the pros and cons - Masterclass EP 31 - YouTube

 

[Well Armed]

So I said above that red dots are the wave of the future - maybe, maybe not. Note I did not say they were always better. That’s a different discussion.Anyway, I ran across this discussion by Ken Hackathorn. I have a lot of respect for anyone with as much experience as he has and this is a really interesting talk with a lot of good points, many if which are mentioned above. Bottom line, everyone is a little bit right here. Watch this and then decide if your opinion remains the same.
Ken Hackathorn analyzes Red Dot Sights on handguns and gives the pros and cons - Masterclass EP 31 - YouTube

From what I seen on social media and different firearm forums, it seems that opinions for the most part fall along generational lines. Seems like the younger generation lean more towards striker fired and optics, and the older generation appreciates SA/DA, revolvers, 1911s, and irons more so than the newer stuff. Ken Hackathorn is more old school. With that said, I don't know of any major manufacturer who hasn't started offering red dot options on all of their pistols from 380, micro 9mms, double stacks, competition guns, and now even revolvers. There are several companies who stay in business selling red dot optics. Law enforcement and even special forces military use them. I believe irons will always be #1, but from what I'm seeing market wise, red dots have been on a study incline. Whether it will remain that way, IDK.

What I was telling @AJ I'd that polls differ according to the forum. I'm on Pistol-Forum.com as well. They had a poll where more members participated than in the two recent polls started on this forum.

The results are 147 irons to 17 RDS on @lrrifleman's poll.

Well on the "Poll: RDS or Irons on your edc" poll on Pistol-Forum.com where 234 members participated, the results are 129 irons to 105 red dot sights. Other forums other than Thehighroad.org and this forum will probably have simular results.

Here's another on SigTalk where 231 members voted, and more people said they EDC with optics vs irons....

That fact that it's 147 to 17 on this forum just proves what I've been saying about the demographic of this particular forum. I'm almost in my 50s, and many other members are much older than I am. Times are changing and things are evolving whether we want to acknowledge it or not. You wouldn't assume based on my opinion, but I prefer to carry revolvers and steel frame pistols. I prefer DA/SA over strikers as well. Neither of which has an optic. Objectively, I can still acknowledge the usefulness and popularity of optics.

 

[Toyman]

My son is a LEO and currently full time instructor. He is an advocate of hand gun optics. He carries a Glock 34 with optic. He was in a shooting and hit his target 4 out or 4 shots at 75 feet. I asked him how the optic worked.
He said it looked like a big cherry.
I have tried to shoot his gun and it takes me to long to get acclimated, to old and to used to iron sights.

 

[AJ]

Posted on another thread:IRONIC! LOOK WHAT KEN HACKATHORN HAS TO SAY ON RDS Very good presentation.