M&P 340, Help me understand what happened

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I had just received my brand new M&P 340 (103072) and did a quick swab out and wipe down. I wanted to get a few rounds through it and make sure it went bang when it was supposed to and it was too cold for normal recreational shooting. I grabbed a small handful of Winchester .357 Mag 110gr JHP and headed out to the back yard.

I had fired five rounds through a friend's 340PD several years ago and vaguely remembered it as interesting at the time. So anyway I drop five rounds into the cylinder and girded myself for the fierce and ferocious recoil that I had read about.

I prepared myself with a firm grip and squeezed of the first round and other than the sound shock because I'd forgotten to put my muffs over my ears it was somewhat anti-climatic. I fired numbers two through four with the same results. There was plenty of muzzle flash and blast and the recoil was stout but nothing like what I had expected.

Then came round number five. The blast and everything else was like the first four combined. My hand was numbed. I went to open the cylinder and couldn't.

I ended up taking the revolver into the house and got the cylinder open with the assistance of a dead blow hammer. Tipping the cylinder upward I tried depress the ejector rod and it was solid. I tapped it with the hammer and four of the cases fell out of the cylinder. Fearing bending the ejector rod I ended up removing case number five out of the cylinder with a hammer and punch.

The revolver appears unaffected. I got it cleaned up and everything works and appears normal with the exception of the finish around one of the chambers on the front of the cylinder. It almost looks like a lead smear but since these were jacketed bullets I'm wondering if the black finish on the stainless cylinder didn't flake or get blown off.

I tried taking photos of the casings but can't manage to get anything clear enough to show detail. Number five (middle case in the photos) has a flattened primer with a little bit of flow around the firing pin indentation. While lining them up for the camera I noticed that number five was noticeably longer than the others and I measured them as well. 1 – 4 were between 1.277 and 1.280 in length and all were .381 in diameter measured just in front of the case rim. Number five was 1.308 in length and .385 in diameter. My books say 1.290 and .379 are normal (I assume unfired or resized).

I can't quite get my head wrapped around this. Am I overlooking something or did I just get so unlucky that I happened across the one bad (read that as hot) round in the box of many thousands of boxes produced by the factory on any given day?
 

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Based on your post, I am guessing this is a regular 340 with a steel cylinder, rather than a 340PD with a titanium cylinder?

If it is the heavier steel cylinder, no worries about the magnum loads with light bullets. However, if it is a titanium cylinder, S&W warns that the powder blast will effectively ignite the surface of a titanium cylinder. Sometimes they will repair them, but I would not count on it.

Here is an example of the damage you might expect, hence Mr. kaaskop49's concern and a link to the original article: Titanium cylinder erosion in revolvers (page 2) - Technics - Tecnics - Articles - all4shooters.com

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But, it does sound like an overcharged round to me. I am glad your revolver survived so well.

Edited to add: Because it was the last round of five you fired, it could also be that the bullet in that round moved forward under the effects of recoil from the other four, just like an impact bullet puller. That might result in an impressive fireball! :eek:

Next time you shoot this ammo, it might be wise to check the unfired rounds for bullet movement after each successfully fired round.
 
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There is a warning on the barrels of Scandium revolvers NOT to use bullets lighter than 120grs, at least there is on my 360. There is a detailed thread on this matter, where another person ignored this caveat and seriously damaged his revolver.

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The M&P 340 does not have that warning. The M&Ps(340 and, 360) have stainless steel cylinders. That being said, I have never used 110 gr. 357 Magnums in my M&P. I'll stick to at least 125 gr. loads for the aluminum/scandium revolvers.
 
Thank you for your thoughts. I bought the M&P rather than the PD because I've got a bunch of the 110gr ammo and didn't want the issues with the titanium cylinder and light weight bullet loads. I may have to rethink the convenience of using ammo that I have.


TucsonMTB - I did have the thought about the bullet(s) jumping crimp and will look for that as I shoot it more in the future. What I didn't think was that it might cause a bigger boom. I'm not an authority but I know that a bullet seated too deep increases internal pressure so I assumed that a bullet seated long (jumped crimp) would lower the pressure. Yeah, I know I shouldn't assume....

Thanks again.
 
Thank you for your thoughts. I bought the M&P rather than the PD because I've got a bunch of the 110gr ammo and didn't want the issues with the titanium cylinder and light weight bullet loads. I may have to rethink the convenience of using ammo that I have.


TucsonMTB - I did have the thought about the bullet(s) jumping crimp and will look for that as I shoot it more in the future. What I didn't think was that it might cause a bigger boom. I'm not an authority but I know that a bullet seated too deep increases internal pressure so I assumed that a bullet seated long (jumped crimp) would lower the pressure. Yeah, I know I shouldn't assume....

Thanks again.
Thank you for the opportunity, sir! It is always fun to try to help, even when we don't necessarily succeed.
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I have to agree with your thinking. I wasn't there. So, I thought maybe the extra residue you mentioned might be the result of powder dumped out of the case, so to speak. If the recoil was also unusually fierce, you can discard that thought for the reasons you mentioned. :o

Admittedly, your steel cylinder is about three ounces heavier than the titanium cylinders in my J-frames. So, jumping the crimp will probably not be an issue. My lighter revolvers readily move bullets forward in several of the locally available, commercial practice ammo, which surprised and alarmed me. Fortunately, the Federal 38E and Nyclads that I stick with now, as well as my reloads, don't move.

I am confident you will enjoy and be able to trust this nice revolver in spite of this early surprise. I certainly hope so!

As my favorite YouTube shooter, Hickock45, says . . . Life is good!
 
My M&P 360 has no warning on the barrel and I shoot 95gr .38 specials to Leverevolution rounds through it. It does bark a bit with some of the heavier loads. It is a great bug.
 
My M&P 360 has no warning on the barrel and I shoot 95gr .38 specials to Leverevolution rounds through it. It does bark a bit with some of the heavier loads. It is a great bug.

The warning is for 357 not 38
 
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