Continuing major problems with Bodyguard 380

DB I work at a LGS and we have sold these for a few years now, I have seen more people come back with the same if not similar issues. My 2 cents and what I can figure is that these guns are really finicky on ammo and from what I see up here in beantown we are kind of limited with ammo choices. We do not see too much speer ammo up here but what is successful in these is Magtech Hollow point 380 and Federal champion ammo. Just a couple of suggestions. Short action ammo= higher pressure for functionality. Also a very good slide lube as this gun is gritty feeling as it is also helps. Good luck

Pete
 
DB I work at a LGS and we have sold these for a few years now, I have seen more people come back with the same if not similar issues. My 2 cents and what I can figure is that these guns are really finicky on ammo and from what I see up here in beantown we are kind of limited with ammo choices. We do not see too much speer ammo up here but what is successful in these is Magtech Hollow point 380 and Federal champion ammo. Just a couple of suggestions. Short action ammo= higher pressure for functionality. Also a very good slide lube as this gun is gritty feeling as it is also helps. Good luck

Pete


I've been shooting .380's since the early 90's and I can tell you guys with confidence that small pistols can be very finicky with ammo in addition they dont like to get dirty either. I've heard from others that the G42 is very picky on ammo. The BG380 seems to do well with most major brands but I can tell you that it does not like to get dirty at all. 150-200 rounds at the range is all it takes before the buildup of soot can start causing hangups...
 
I've been shooting .380's since the early 90's and I can tell you guys with confidence that small pistols can be very finicky with ammo in addition they dont like to get dirty either.

Capt. Ron, I really appreciate your advice, but I can tell you with confidence that my Ruger LCP ate everything I fed it without a single incident. This also seems to be the overwhelming consensus about that gun. So the cheap, homely little Ruger eats anything you put through it like a goat, but the iconic S&W can't figure it out?

You also said:

Sounds like you could use a new recoil spring & a new (or heavier) hammer spring. Both are easily replaced and available at Galloway.

I'll be d***ed if I start rebuilding my defective brand new pistol with aftermarket parts at my own expense to try to achieve what the S&W experts can't do.

And, no, I don't think sticky mags are causing it to stovepipe or light strike.

Capt. Ron, it seems like you are unwilling to consider that there is actually something wrong with this gun. Sometimes one has to admit that maybe their favorite brand might have a flawed model.

David
 
DB,

First, Speer Lawman is not a trash ammo, so failures with it should be considered a problem, as you have. You tested with mid-high end range ammo, so enough said.

Send it back again, give them excruciating detail, including ammo brands.
On return, Shoot it again.
If it fails, send it back again, get all the paperwork together, and sell it fresh out of the return box.

Why do I say this? If you fire a round that fails, you can't sell it to the next guy with an honest statement that it works. If it came back, but you don't try it, you can say it is just back from repairs without lying.

I will confess I have a shield that went back 4 times before it came back 100%. But I am a maniac about getting what I bought, so I was more persistent than most. It cost me 2400 rounds of 9mm to get where I expected to be at 400, but it did help my rusty shooting skills. Yes, if you don't trust it, don't carry it, and tell the CS folks that. It does make a difference.
 
I am looking for a .380 and plan to go with the dig p238. Seen way to many online posts about the bg and glock42 having problems. Anyone watch hicock45s review of the bg. He had two of them and they both were light striking.
Spend the extra money and get the sigp238 that's what I plan to do
 
I have had it with this BG platform! I own four other S&W MP models and have never had problems like this -

First the original BG with the infamous Insight laser which was so bad, S&W replaced it with the newer MP model -

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/379706-defective-bg-380-s-w-cs-rescue.html

My MP version seemed to be an improvement at first, then lately I start getting the light strike syndrome, and it's been getting progressively worse, no matter which type of factory ammo I use. In fact, yesterday at the range it wouldn't ignite a single round of Sellier & Beloit. I realize these mouse guns are ammo sensitive, but geez, there is not a lot of factory 380 out there to choose from.

It's on its way to S&W now and when I get it back I'm gonna trade it in for an LCP - which I should have got in the first place. Not gonna waste any time or money on night sights or a Galloway trigger on this failed SD platform that you can't depend to go bang when you pull the trigger. And it sure as hell is not a range gun, so what good is it other than a paperweight?!! Enough is enough!!
 
Capt. Ron, I really appreciate your advice, but I can tell you with confidence that my Ruger LCP ate everything I fed it without a single incident. This also seems to be the overwhelming consensus about that gun. So the cheap, homely little Ruger eats anything you put through it like a goat, but the iconic S&W can't figure it out?

You also said:



I'll be d***ed if I start rebuilding my defective brand new pistol with aftermarket parts at my own expense to try to achieve what the S&W experts can't do.

And, no, I don't think sticky mags are causing it to stovepipe or light strike.

Capt. Ron, it seems like you are unwilling to consider that there is actually something wrong with this gun. Sometimes one has to admit that maybe their favorite brand might have a flawed model.

David


Hey, first off I dont know how old your pistol is, the # of rounds it had, how you take care of it etc. All I know is there are thousands of happy BG 380 owners out there that dont need to get on a forum to complain about their pistol and the ones who unfortunatley do have a issue come online looking for a solution and it gives the impression of a large scale issue, there is no mass problem with these guns. I carry my BG380 every day and I would stake my life on it.
S&W makes thousands of BG380's each year. Like anything else that's mass produced you're gonna find a few lemons... jeez, if you're not happy with the pistol send it back & they will fix it, that is what a warranty is for. Use it. But it's not going to magically fix itself by lowballing S&W on the foums.
 
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Just my 2 cents. I've had the same problems with my BG380 and several trips back to CS. Seems to work now and I'm confident with it. Don't know if shooting it more could make it more reliable or worse.

I've shot 380's back to the early 80's and never had any problems after thousands of rounds of everything. Didn't have special self defense loads back then, just hardball. Earlier 380's though aren't as small as the ones now. Maybe it's not possible to mass produce these small 380's and just put 10 rounds through them for a test and expect them to work. If that's the case, they shouldn't sell them as people are depending their lives on them.
 
i have an lcp, flawless function. know several people with bg380's and g42's. not a lot of happy with either. can't say i recommend either any more. don't recommend the lcp either. the keltec p32 is the best of the tiny options as far as i can tell. just gotta find .32 ammo for 'em. that said, i find myself with my 442 more and more as back up. love my lcp for several reasons, but it IS still a .380. my 442 has the 158 gr. hornady xtp load, and i feel that is the better option for me. to bad i hear so many stories about S&W's lack of quality, and lack of confidence in the product...
 
I am looking for a .380 and plan to go with the dig p238. Seen way to many online posts about the bg and glock42 having problems. Anyone watch hicock45s review of the bg. He had two of them and they both were light striking.
Spend the extra money and get the sigp238 that's what I plan to do

Hickock45's G42 was flawless, btw
 
I talked to S&W's service guy yesterday, and he seemed a bit concerned about my situation. It is going back to S&W as soon as I can get it boxed up and dropped off at the Fed Ex station on the other side of the county.

I keep thinking about this gun. It's interesting that the Ruger LCP will eat anything, but it can't handle +Ps. The Smith doesn't seem to like basic target ammo, but can handle +P.

This makes me wonder if they are calibrated differently, and there might be a tradeoff. For instance, I would love to test 200 rounds of my carry ammo through the gun and see if I get zero malfunctions, but at $1.50 a shot... ain't gonna happen. So I have been using basic target ammo as my volume round to see how many it can handle without a malfunction, which it is having trouble with. The box of carry rounds I put through it have functioned fine.

If I knew my carry ammo would always work, I guess an occasional malfunction with target ammo wouldn't bother me that much.

I really do want to make this thing work for me.

David
 
I have a pair of Glock 42's and although they both have worked at the range I still have this gut feeling of doubt that if I ever have to depend on it will it take care of me.

I guess all the negative posts on the BG and Glock does not give you a warm feeling of trust. Both manufacturers are top notch and you wonder why have so many iffy .380's out there. Where the engineers and testing people before these guns we're let loose?

I've come to believe that malfunctions are inherent in these "micro" pocket .380s. Physics in not the pocket .380's friend. Regardless of maker, there always seems to be issues and they are VERY sensitive to ammo and shooting form.
 
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I've come to believe that malfunctions are inherent in these "micro" pocket .380s. Physics in not the pocket .380's friend. Regardless of maker, there always seems to be issues and they are VERY sensitive to ammo and shooting form.

Except your theory is completely contradicted by the Ruger LCP, which I think may go down in history as one of the most absolutely reliable pistols ever.

David
 
Except your theory is completely contradicted by the Ruger LCP, which I think may go down in history as one of the most absolutely reliable pistols ever.

David
I've seen posts regarding FTF and FTE, albeit less than others but those small handguns are finicky animals. That is not to say that there are not reliable pieces out there, there are. My P3AT I owned years ago ran like a top but I traded it in for a S&W 642. The Ruger LRP is FAR better than the KT I had. I'm not saying they are worthless or anything like that, if it works for you...carry on...literally.
 
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I'll be d***ed if I start rebuilding my defective brand new pistol with aftermarket parts at my own expense to try to achieve what the S&W experts can't do.

And, no, I don't think sticky mags are causing it to stovepipe or light strike....
David

OP: I have had all the same problems as you - I never posted about them, and bought the gun based on glowing internet reviews, so the theories about only people with problems posting is bull. Otoh, on recent more specifically worded google searches the light primer strike issue with this gun is all over the web.

I unfortunately went down the path you wisely rejected, and had a reputable armorer do some work, primarily because I wanted to change out the sites and trigger set anyway. I had to bring it back to him after testing, because the problems remained, and he said he has found that often times the firing pin block is not adequately cleared by the striker, and he retouched those parts, and I believe the light striker issue is now solved. This was covered under warranty.

Now the other issues, ftf, stovepipe, slide autoforward had to be fixed separately, at my expense, because they are things S&W will not address under the warranty. They are indeed ammo dependent, which does not excuse the issue. My armorer offers a "performance package" which is $110, and includes throating the barrel and a couple of other adjustments, and results in pretty much 100% reliability with regard to cycling (they tested it with a variety of crappy ammo, including some with known hard primer issues, and claim it is good now -- I have yet to get it to the range to confirm).

There are two excellent and experienced armorers at this shop, and they have a lot of knowledge about the SW BG380. They say it is BS that this performance package is frequently needed on this gun, but that is the state of things in the production gun world these days. While it is not unique to S&W, this model has more problems then many others. Especially, according to them, LPS, and it has to do with the design of the gun, being very light, with a tiny hammer, it just does not have the physics to perform reliably without aftermarket adjustments in many cases. Just replacing the springs does not always work, because the design of the firing pin block and associated parts is faulty.

My experience with this gun was so annoying that I will never buy another S&W. I know these types of problems are not unique to S&W, but I also have and S&W 1911 that has a minor issue (won't cycle properly with 7+1 - only 7 in the mag and 0 in the chamber), and I have so many other guns that perform 100% out of the box.

As far as 380's, my sig p238 is a much better shooter, eats all ammo and is 100% reliable, out of the box. More expensive (but not after all the work I did to the BG) and a bit heavier, but a MUCH better gun in all other ways.

After my own experiences and a bit of google-fu, I conclude the SW BG380 sucks. It does not matter that it works well for most people, because it is completely unreliable for many, many people, even after sending it back to S&W for warranty service. Sure, the issues are fixable, at considerable time and expense to the consumer. S&W is not the great company it once was, and should not be selling this gun in it's current configuration, without addressing these issues in a more competent manner - particularly in a gun that is so specifically meant to be a SD carry gun (not a range or competition piece).
 
Picked up new Bodyguard 380 today

So I picked up a MP Bodyguard With that Kryptek pattern...I am hoping SW have worked out..light strikes, broken strike pin and all these other issues I have seen posted...

Mine was manufactured June 2015..will be hitting the range in two days with a mix of different ammo ...stay tuned.

The smaller the guns seem to get the harder it seems to manufacture a constent shooting gun.....
 
A very interesting post, srmd22.

I have updated my experience with these guns here:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/444665-bodyguard-380-finally-reliable.html

Don't let the thread title fool you. I posted an update to my update when it turned out the information I presented in my original post was not correct. If you're patient you can read down and see the whole thread.

As far as a lot of the problems these guns have- FT Feed, FT Eject, FT Lock Back- these have all been repaired correctly on the first trip back to S&W for all three of my BGs. So I would not recommend having a gunsmith tinker with those parts of the gun.

The biggest challenge for S&W is fixing the FTFire. There is a lot more info about this, but no conclusions, in the other post I referenced.

That Sig is a nice piece. I just don't like single action pistols, as a personal preference/familiarity thing. And the Ruger LCP has a reputation for amazing reliability, so I know a tiny 380 can be made to work. I have zero loyalty to S&W or the BG; there is just no other pistol in its configuration. Believe me, I've looked.

David
 
Good to know. I almost bought one of these several times, even though I hate DAO. Now I will wait for the new Remington .380 and see how it does.
 
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