S&W M&P 9 responsible for rise in shootings?

[rbuzz]

New gun blamed for rise in LA County deputy shootings

Sheriff's officials in LA County say S&W M&P 9 pistols may be responsible for rise in accidental shootings.
This is going to be interesting.

 

[Freedom's Teeth]

No one in CA should be allowed to have access to firearms, matches or sharp objects. The same holds true for NY and Washington D. C.

 

[Saudade]

SCE? Is that you?

 

[Freedom's Teeth]

( Just kidding )

 

[murphydog]

From the article:

"In October, a deputy tripped over a stroller and fired a bullet through the wall of a house in Huntington Park. Last November, a deputy in Lancaster shot himself in the thigh while pulling his gun. In December, a deputy in Compton accidentally pulled the trigger on his gun as he approached a suspected stolen car and a bullet hit the door. "

What part of "finger off the trigger until you intend to fire" are they not training?

 

[Old cop]

This sounds more like a training issue and not a gun problem.

 

[PirateJim]

This sounds more like a training issue and not a gun problem.

Yup. Tripped over the stroller I will give the benifit of the doubt because we don't really know the whole story perhaps, but shooting yourself in the leg is pretty clearly a case of finger on the trigger when it shouldn't be.

Out of the box, a M&P no doubt has a lighter trigger than the Beretta's double action, but it is FAR from a hair trigger, as numerous threads on this forum will attest. But leave it to the press to dig up a story like this.

 

[kbm6893]

Range time for cops is always gonna be minimal. Cost of ammo. Taking guys off the street. I don't think I shot more than 400 rounds a year at qualification.

Cops take their guns out way more than civilians. And they do it under stress which civilians don't do. For this reason I have always said that striker fired guns are poor choices for police departments.

 

[CGhelofxr]

Sounds to me like the police officers in question are incompetent, but then again let's look for somewhere else to place the blame.

Heaven forbid it gets placed on an individual!

 

[Rastoff]

This is why we have this trouble in CA. People here are quick to blame the equipment, the system, the city, anything but the individual.

Then we have to deal with stupidity like this:

No one in CA should be allowed to have access to firearms, matches or sharp objects. The same holds true for NY and Washington D. C.

I notice you don't list where you live.

 

[meijerclassics]

Yup, them M&P's are faulty, and should be sent to me for disposal right away .

"Hoot": This is my safety, sir.
[He holds up his index finger and bends motions as if squeezing a trigger and then walks off]

 

[NCavi8tor]

Idiots!

NC

 

[Freedom's Teeth]

Muscle memory. They were trained to ride the trigger of the Beretta.

 

[spad124]

Maybe if a particular police department has several NDS, it should issue full flap holsters like the UM 84 or older European police holsters?

 

[Rastoff]

Muscle memory. They were trained to ride the trigger of the Beretta.

No, they weren't.

 

[Mtnfolk325]

Did you read the article? It clearly states that with the Beretta 92 they were trained to ride the trigger. KCSO had more ND's before the standardization on Glock 22 & 23's in the early 90's. Prior to that the policy was pretty liberal and we had more with 1911's than anything else. The transition for us was basically 3 days & around 1K rounds down range, BTW I went through in May 1993. LASO has a training issue & nothing else.

 

[Freedom's Teeth]

riding a 15lb trigger is different than riding an 6lb trigger. i am no professional but i do not ride Glock or M&P triggers until it's a done deal that i am destroying what is in front of the barrel. i will ride a Sig or M9 bang switch.

 

[Prasko]

From the article...

With the advent of the new weapon, deputies are obtaining better scores at the firing range and more recruits are passing the firearms test. The percentage of women recruits who failed that test has fallen from 6.4 percent to less than 1 percent, the Times said.

Seems like a good reason to switch to the M&P.

 

[moose1953us]

sounds like they need a safety on those guns....

 

[Freedom's Teeth]

Easily done