THE ENEMY NEXT DOOR

[JSR III]

I dont buy that we do not have enough troops. You dont need a platoon every hundred feet.

Put a Chris Kyle every 2 miles or so, should solve the problem. That's one shooter and one spotter every 2 miles divided into 2,000 miles so that's 1,000 teams. As far as tunnels are concerned, drill holes every so often and put some sort of seismic detector in the hole. When it picks up activity break out the bunker busters.

 

[Smoke]

Put a Chris Kyle every 2 miles or so, should solve the problem. That's one shooter and one spotter every 2 miles divided into 2,000 miles so that's 1,000 teams. As far as tunnels are concerned, drill holes every so often and put some sort of seismic detector in the hole. When it picks up activity break out the bunker busters.

Do you want them to shoot the kids too?

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

So, those who say the fence is useless. What do you propose?

Call up the military. Tell them to Shoot anyone they see crossing the border other than at a check point.
What other problems do you need solved.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Do you want them to shoot the kids too?

What I want done is for the law to be enforced. Hire an illegal, go to jail. The system is already in place with I9 and E-verify but not enforced.

Organized crime from outside our borders should be terminated with extreme prejudice.

Mexican government needs to be beat over the head economically for their complicity.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Call up the military. Tell them to Shoot anyone they see crossing the border other than at a check point.
What other problems do you need solved.

Texas requires demonstration of shooting proficiency prior to getting a carry permit. I'm thinking...

 

[Harrison]

It truly is that bad on the border.

 

[PatriotX]

Having passed through Checkpoint Charlie as a teen, I saw firsthand the effects of an extreme border policy.

It would sadden me immensely to see the Greatest Nation on Earth follow the example of the USSR in its practices.

I have no idea what the ultimate border solution is, and suspect it will take an amalgam of many smaller solutions to be effective.

 

[quneur]

Israel had far worse problems and built the Separation Barrier at a cost of 3 million dollars a mile. Our 2000 mile southern border could get this treatment for six billion dollars. Thats a bunch of money, but I bet the combined costs associated with our current failed policy are higher. Current Washington legislation will not stop the unauthorized crossings. If your house is flooding, first turn off the water.

Would be cheaper if we used illegals to build it.

 

[Abbynormal]

So, those who say the fence is useless. What do you propose?

Unless you've spent time along the border and see how the
uninvited get through, over, under and around the fences and walls,you can't appreciate the comment.

In one 10 mile stretch of border, I've seen everything from 15' concrete walls, 12' tall steel runway mat made into a vertical barrier, 10+ foot chain link with razor wire down to standard 4' wire stock fencing.

The Border Patrol does the best it can and is using force multipliers (in ground sensors, both movement and vibration, watch towers, IR, cameras, radars and even blimps equiped with FLIR, optics, radar and communication interception.

I've seen areas south of Tucson along the Boarder where only BP and LEOS only tread and then never less than 3 or 4 together as the cartels have snipers on every mountain reaching 5 or more miles inside the US guarding the trails that human traffickers and narcos use.

 

[finesse_r]

Just an observation:

It seems there are at least two issues here that are being intertwined and considered as one and the same: immigration of people fleeing from the chaos and lawlessness and seeking economic security, and cross-border transshipment of narcotics.

Without question, there are some common elements to both.

But I think we need to keep in mind these are different issues, with solutions that are best considered differently as well.

In my opinion, one of the ways to move toward getting a handle on the drug problem in our country is decriminalization. I just don't think there is really any other way that will work.

As far as the problem of illegal immigration by those seeking better opportunity and security, I personally am in favor of letting those people come here. I think it is an expression of the highest ideals on which our Nation was founded, to do so.

The idea of a wall, or a DMZ-like border, is ridiculous to me. No offense intended. I just think it's a very short-sighted and pointless "solution" to either of the problems listed above.

I agree they are two separate issues. I would even agree with you on legalization of recreational drugs to reduce use and remove the profit.

However, we need to stop all immigration as that is nothing less than invasion by alien cultures and that is the most certain way to destroy the existing culture there is. Why should Mexico go to war with the USA when they can simply immigrate us into submission.

Any nation that does not protect its borders and severely restrict immigration is doomed. It is that simple. Twenty more years of the current out of control immigration will see the US constitution null and void as the new culture will no longer defend it. All it takes is enough politicians who are no longer accountable to people who believe in the US constitution for it to be amended out of existence.

It is the idea that we can sustain any additional immigration that is ridiculous to me. Why bother to build a military if we intend to turn it over to any group that wants to flood across our borders. Most of the ridiculous changes in this nation over the last 60 years can be directly traced back to the changes in the immigration laws and policies that began in 1965.

Sorry I know this will be the ding that gets me suspended or banned, but such ridiculous statements cannot be allowed to go unchallenged. It is too important an issue.

 

[Smoke]

I agree they are two separate issues. I would even agree with you on legalization of recreational drugs to reduce use and remove the profit.

I can tell you first hand that won't work. In Colorado the legal weed is taxed to the point that the illegal stuff is cheaper and once you've got it in the jar at home you can't tell the difference.

There's also the problem of the weed stores being robbed.

As far as drugs go I got no answer. As long as there's a demand there will be a supply. There's too much money to be made and it's too easy to find a cop who's willing to double his yearly income for looking the other way.


As for the illegal immigration Phil's got it right you start fining the employers who routinely hire illegals and I mean really fining them and maybe pulling their business licenses maybe the demand will dry up.

On the other side, no amnesty ever I don't care if you've been here 50 years if we find you everything you own is forfeited to the U.S. Government and sold and you are going back to where ever you came from and you're declared PNG forever

 

[g8rb8]

Yes. There are at the two basic issues, immigration and drugs, with one central core issue to both, legality. Both also involve a significant common denominator, the U.S. - Mexico border, although illegal immigrants and drugs also enter the country via alternate routes.

Re: Drugs. We (the U.S.) hasn't decided how we want to deal with it. This has been an age old problem throughout history. It looks like we've been trying to figure out, as a country, what to do about drugs, including alcohol, since at least 1920 when the 18th amendment (prohibition) passed. We've been all over the place with that amendment, the 21st amendment (repeal of prohibition), the "war on drugs", "just say no", the recent legalization of marijuana in Colorado with the federal government essentially ignoring it, etcetera. The most certain thing I can figure out is that when drugs are legalized you have more people using them and more people addicted or adversely affected by them and, even with legalization, there are significant adverse effects to society. When drugs are illegal you have less people use them and less addiction but you have more illegal/adverse activity surrounding them, more than just the illegal use of them. So, do you want to spend more of your resources on more addicts/adversely affected individuals or do you want to spend more of your resources on dealing with the criminal aspects related to keeping drugs illegal? It is a noble principle to be against a habit that will harm many people but it's very expensive to enforce that principle. I cannot make up my mind.

Re: Illegal immigrants. There seems to be much more consensus on this issue in the U.S. We (the U.S.) seems to be for immigration but not illegal immigration and there seems to be a consensus on this, at least from the polls I have seen. There are many things that could be done to improve the situation but the political will does not seem to be there. This seems to be another issue in which our elected officials have let us down.

No matter how you feel about either issue better border security is logically part of the answer even if you want to legalize drugs because even with legalized drugs the cartels will come across the border to compete. It's also logical that there is no slam-dunk, single answer that improves border security. I side with some who have posted it will be multi-factorial, including barriers, detectors (seismic, etc.), personnel (military, border patrol), by air, spotting towers, etcetera.

 

[the ringo kid]

Lets sub contract the southern border security to South Korea. They could use the work had have half a century of experience dealing with a hostile bordering country.

Sarge Bill told me that ROK Marines, do not put up with any BS.

 

[16thVACav]

Twenty more years of the current out of control immigration will see the US constitution null and void as the new culture will no longer defend it.

I don't think we have to worry about twenty more years of out of control immigration. In about a year and a half, all the Mexicans will be living on this side of the border.

 

[Bill Bates]

My completely sarcastic solution. As someone living in part of the country that was what once Mexico; there is historical precedence for invading Mexico.

Sooo

Invade Mexico and split it up into another 8 or 10 states. Then build a much shorter wall along the Belize and Guatemala borders.

 

[rcnixon]

I dont buy that we do not have enough troops. You dont need a platoon every hundred feet.

Brownsville to El Paso is about nine hundred miles of border. That's about 4.75 million feet. Put a mine every six feet or so, 100 feet deep. That's over twelve and a half million mines.

The current military establishment is about 3 million people, maybe. With a 1:12 ratio of "tooth to tail", that would be about 250,000 for a troop every 19 feet but only one shift per day. Multiply that by about 4 for three shifts plus time off the line.

With a length of 50 feet, there would be 95,000 rolls of concertina wire for one length. Realistically there would be four rolls per 50 feet for 380,000 rolls of wire. And that's for the B'ville to El P border.

El P to San Diego is about 800 miles of border so double the first numbers for the whole stretch.

Now, I'm just a civilian (engineer, though) and Coyle is a 12-year professional so my numbers are somewhat of an educated guess.

It puts a different perspective on the problem when you actually run the numbers, doesn't it.

Russ

 

[finesse_r]

Brownsville to El Paso is about nine hundred miles of border. That's about 4.75 million feet. Put a mine every six feet or so, 100 feet deep. That's over twelve and a half million mines. The current military establishment is about 3 million people, maybe. With a 1:12 ratio of "tooth to tail", that would be about 250,000 for a troop every 19 feet but only one shift per day. Multiply that by about 4 for three shifts plus time off the line. With a length of 50 feet, there would be 95,000 rolls of concertina wire for one length. Realistically there would be four rolls per 50 feet for 380,000 rolls of wire. And that's for the B'ville to El P border. El P to San Diego is about 800 miles of border so double the first numbers for the whole stretch. Now, I'm just a civilian (engineer, though) and Coyle is a 12-year professional so my numbers are somewhat of an educated guess.

It puts a different perspective on the problem when you actually run the numbers. doesn't it.

Russ

Am I the only one that does not understand this?

 

[cmort666]

I don't think we have to worry about twenty more years of out of control immigration. In about a year and a half, all the Mexicans will be living on this side of the border.

I've suggested this previously:

If the United States were to invade and annex the northern states of Mexico, the Mexicans wouldn't have to come here...

 

[chaparrito]

Declare the war on drugs a victory, legalize drugs, tax them and regulate them, sell through licensed shops. Take the profit out, treat drugs as a public health problem and label it rude and stupid. The American people look at a ban as a dare. Volstead Act proved that. For the money spent on banning, we could treat every addict, teach every possible user, and shrink the problem to a manageable level. Eliminate the cartels and most of the street gangs. Only the rich and really stupid would be able to afford it. Probably be able to lay off half the cops in the US. We all know the war on drugs is not working at all.

Exactly. Declare the war OVER. All one has to do to see that it's a monumental failure is to look at the court docket published in your local newspaper. Subtract out all the drug possession and paraphernalia cases. Legalization of drugs is the LAST thing the prison-for-profit industry in this country wants.

 

[rwsmith]

I had a thought....

We should be building up Mexico's economy instead of China's. China is on the other side of the world. Mexico is next door. If we help make Mexico more economically attractive it would help our situation in many areas, one being that people will have other sources of income rather than by the drug trade. It would also give people less reason to illegally immigrate.

Just a thought, probably full of holes but it's an idea, anyway.