COLLECTING PD GUNS
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03clyde
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Actually, the 28-2 preceded the 681 ('79 - '81). The 681 was in service with that agency '81 - '90.
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Hey all, glad to see this thread has legs...the quest continues. PSP has graciously transitioned from the Glock 37 in .45GAP to the Glock 21 in .45ACP to the present issue Sig P227R also in .45ACP. The Glocks are fairly readily available on GB and in shops here in PA. It is the older revolvers that are proving more difficult to track down. No PSP markings, so without an actual Trooper purchase you are basically flying blind. Supposedly the stainless Ruger Security Six, which predated the .40 Berettas were in a specific range, but I have been unable to narrow that range down to specific numbers.
I did manage to pick up a few shotguns with PSP property tags that were surplussed a couple of years ago, they are pretty neat.
Fun, ain't it?
I did manage to pick up a few shotguns with PSP property tags that were surplussed a couple of years ago, they are pretty neat.
Fun, ain't it?
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The neatest of the Missouri guns was the FIVE INCH Combat Masterpiece. Those were not marked at all, but if you find one, the chances are very good it was a Missouri gun as no other agency has been disclosed that issued the 5 inch CM. Illinois had the 5 inch K38, but due to barrel and frame profile, those are not the same gun. Far more of the Illinois variation than the Missouri variation.
To the OP: If you ever get one you think is a Missouri gun, it can be confirmed by the serial number as we have records.
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I Don't ...........
do it officially, or with any purpose really, but these have found their way here.
KCPD Non Reg Magnum
Reg. Magnum 4752 Evansville IN. Board of Public Works & Safety, 1939
A NYSP 681
I had a 59 that was marked A.C.S.D. but I never did figure out where it was from.
I have an Ithaca 37 riot gun from the Owenboro, KY PD. It is one of these.
I think the pistol gripped one.
There may be a couple o' more around here.
Ned
do it officially, or with any purpose really, but these have found their way here.
KCPD Non Reg Magnum
Reg. Magnum 4752 Evansville IN. Board of Public Works & Safety, 1939
A NYSP 681
I had a 59 that was marked A.C.S.D. but I never did figure out where it was from.
I have an Ithaca 37 riot gun from the Owenboro, KY PD. It is one of these.
I think the pistol gripped one.
There may be a couple o' more around here.
Ned
Yep, that's correct. The 520s were supposed to become the new standard issue instead of the 28-2s, until someone at the NYSP found out about the 681s. The 520 order was canceled and the 681s were ordered instead.
03clyde
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A NYSP 681
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Ned
Your NYSP 681 photo looks a lot like a NYSP 65-3 that's been re-fitted with a shortened barrel. The NYSP 65-3s, all with three inch barrels, were issued to their BCI (detectives/investigators).
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N4KVE
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About a year ago, I picked up a HK USP 45 LE trade in. ATI was selling them to FFL dealers. It's not marked anywhere who it belonged to, & the only reason I purchased it was because it was CHEAP. While the outside of the gun has minor holster wear, the inside of the gun is MINT. Shoots like a dream! But because it has minor exterior wear, I don't mind carrying it, as it will not live in the safe. GARY
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A bit off topic, but I regret passing on a Glock 23 marked Teton County Sheriff's Department. Teton County is the home of Jackson Hole and right next to Yellowstone Park.
It appears that barrel has been cut back. Notice the Smith & Wesson stamping is off center. Pretty good indication it's the original barrel that someone cut off.
Blitzkrieg02
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I have a West Virginia State Police marked S&W 4566, it's the one they had right before the new Melonite finished 4566's. On the left side of the slide from front to back it has the S&W Logo,and then West Virginia State Police & the WVSP Emblem. On the front part of the right side of the slide it has West Virginia State Police & right under that it says, "85 Years of dedicated service 1919-2004. They got these in 2004, and retired them around 2011 I think. I already have one of the new WVSP Melonite finished S&W 4566's lined up. so when they change out again I'll have 2 of them. I also have a West Virginia State Police S&W M&P AR-15 that has West Virginia State Police markings along with their patch logo, and it's brand new in the case.
My buddy actually had one of the West Virginia State Police 40cal S&W Pistols they had right before they went with the 4566 that I have. It had little WVSP Badge's in the Grips, and had the West Virginia State Police on the slide as well. But he sold it without telling me
, and if I knew he wanted to sell it I'd have bought it for sure, Then I'd have the last 2 WVSP Pistols, and when I get my Melonite I'd have the last 3. I'm not sure what Model the WVSP 40Cal was, but I do know it was a S&W 40Cal...
My buddy actually had one of the West Virginia State Police 40cal S&W Pistols they had right before they went with the 4566 that I have. It had little WVSP Badge's in the Grips, and had the West Virginia State Police on the slide as well. But he sold it without telling me
, and if I knew he wanted to sell it I'd have bought it for sure, Then I'd have the last 2 WVSP Pistols, and when I get my Melonite I'd have the last 3. I'm not sure what Model the WVSP 40Cal was, but I do know it was a S&W 40Cal...
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N4KVE
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Let me give you the details on why I avoid PD guns that are marked with the PD name. I worked for a gun dealer in Palm Beach County Florida, & a retired deputy came in to sell his duty Glock 22. When the deputies retire, they are allowed to keep their weapons, which are marked by Glock with the county name. He had plenty of personally bought guns, & was going to use the $ to get a carry gun for his wife. We took it in, & a week later, someone wants to buy it, but is concerned that if he gets pulled over, the deputy will think the gun is stolen. I told him to simply have the bill of sale with him at all times. So of course, he fails the BG check, but appeals, & a week later comes in with a letter allowing him to purchase it. He takes it home, & of course gets pulled over a week later, & yes, shows the cop the bill of sale, because they assume the gun is stolen. The gun owner drives a nice 70's Impala 8 feet in the air with 24" rims. The cop gives him back the gun, but a week later we get a visit from someone in the sheriff's dept asking why we bought the gun. We were then told we are not allowed to buy guns that are marked with the county crest, & next time to tell the deputy whose selling it that if he doean't want the gun to turn it in to the SO. We were then instructed to call the customer in, give him a brand new Glock 22, take the old one back, & return it back to the SO, who will then pay us for the new gun that was given to the customer. Of course the customer again failed the back ground check,but he again appealed, & came in with another letter allowing him to buy anything he wanted w/o us having to make another phone call. The Sheriff's office then sent a note to all LE personnel that if they had a pistol that was given to them when they retired they could keep it for life, but never sell it. If they no longer wanted it, they had to turn it in to the SO. So after seeing this, no SO marked guns for me. My LE HK has no such markings, & was sold by the PD, not the deputy. GARY
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If the SO let their retirees keep the gun then the SO relinquishes all control over the gun. They have no say over what happens to the gun once it leaves their possession. It's no longer theirs. Who ever from the SO came in and told you that was full of beans and hot air (to use acceptable language on the forum). You should have told him to go pound sand and have a nice day.
N4KVE
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Not if we wanted to continue to do business in their county. But it hasn't happened again, since the LE personnel were all warned too. GARY
My point is there was no legal basis for what the SO actions.
You made this statement "We were then told we are not allowed to buy guns that are marked with the county crest, & next time to tell the deputy whose selling it that if he doean't want the gun to turn it in to the SO. We were then instructed to call the customer in, give him a brand new Glock 22, take the old one back, & return it back to the SO, who will then pay us for the new gun that was given to the customer. "
They have no legal authority to tell your shop you cannot buy a gun that is legally owned by another. They have no legal authority to tell a shop they have to "give him a brand new Glock". They have no legal authority to tell the shop to "take back the old one". The SO's actions were totally improper and without any legal authority. And they have no legal authority to stop future sales when they're the ones committing the illegal and improper intimidation.
The shop owner should have made a real stink in that situation. And still told the SO person to pound sand. They were blowing smoke and the shop owner didn't know enough not to believe them.
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I believe departmental purchases may sign a contract that they cannot sell the guns which were purchased through this contract. I know glock can sell you bottom dollar without taxes.
I have a Model 36 marked "MASS STATE POLICE", that letters as being shipped to MSP Framingham, MA.
They had Model 10's and Model 65's also marked the same way
They had Model 10's and Model 65's also marked the same way
N4KVE
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That's what started this mess. The retiring deputy broke his contract with the county to not sell his duty weapon. But this will not happen again, as we were made aware of the county's policy. However, we do buy PD guns, but directly from the PD. At the last local gun show, I sold 2 MINT Glock 30SF with night sites for $419 each. No markings from what dept. A few months before we got a bunch of 5906's, & model 15 revolvers from some state prison system. The guns were in fair shape on the outside, but nice & clean inside. They all had asset #'s engraved in the guns, but again no crests identifying where they came from. Any guns we get from PD's that have identifying crests, must be removed. We had hundred's of 5906's, & 15's, but a few short months later, they are all sold. We also got some 3rd gen 45's that say tactical on the slide, & they are all DAO, but it's taking longer to sell them. GARY
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If it happens it's an individual dept policy. It sure isn't the policy of gun manufacturers and most agencies. In my career while commanding R&D I dealt with S&W, Glock, H&K, Colt, and Remington. None of those companies have any such restrictions.
He said that dept let their officers keep their guns when they retire. That is very common with a lot of PDs. With my own agency we were allowed to buy our guns when we transitioned to new models and when we retired we were able to purchase our duty weapons. That is very common for a lot of places around the US.
Where do you think a lot of these PD guns in this very thread come from? Eventually the retiree is going to die. Surely no one thinks any dept is going to track down every retiree and try to find out which family member ended up with the retiree's gun. That's not even realistic to think that. A lot of depts have no idea where their retirees are after they leave the dept or whether they're alive or dead. Once the agency relinquishes ownership of the firearm they have no say over what happens to it. It's no longer theirs to say.
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