5906 discharge ith magazine removed

[bigggbbruce]

It's not that you can't trust the mag disconnect.
It's my opinion that by pressing on the trigger before you drop the mag you are bypassing it.

Ok.. Magazine disconnect 101..

Inserting a mag pushes the trigger bar upwards so it will pull the hammer.

Applying some pressure with the trigger engages the trigger bar and hammer.
Keep a little pressure on the trigger and drop the mag and the trigger bar and hammer stay engaged.
Pull trigger and it will fire every time.

 

[jughed440]

I'll say what should have been said IMMEDIATELY after the OP posted.

PICS/VIDS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

For someone to bombdrop on their first post...questionable at best.
To do it without a shred of supporting evidence like a pic or vid...even more suspicious.
Those are the usual actions of a Hater Troll Poster...

And so, We Wait. He'll either be like half the new 1-shot wonders & never come back...
OR, he'll come back & post the proof.

Either way, we're now stuck with a thread that will last decades as a "failure"...
mostly the failure to follow the rules of firearms...
but the thread is blaming the firearm, not the Trigger Nut holding it, who is ultimately responsible.

Everyone who owns firearms knows all about the rabid anti-gun press being very eager and willing to report any shooting, accidental or not. I have done a Google search for such an incident, and the only report of such an incident that occurred on that day (10-10, according to OP) states that it happened in the morning, which doesn't match the timeline given by OP. The story is short and vague...

Man Accidentally Shoots Himself With a Gun | News - Home

I too am suspicious, but some 3rd Gen owners have learned more about their firearms, and safety tips worth repeating have been posted.. this thread has its benefits.

 

[85V65Sabre]

I too am suspicious, but some 3rd Gen owners have learned more about their firearms, and safety tips worth repeating have been posted.. this thread has its benefits.

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[W.E.G.]

Somewhere, someone is doing something incredibly stupid with a firearm.

...and a car


...and a torch


...and a power saw


...and a vessel of pesticide


...and prescription drugs


Some people you just can't reach.

 

[85V65Sabre]

Somewhere, someone is doing something incredibly stupid with a firearm.

...and a car


...and a torch


...and a power saw


...and a vessel of pesticide


...and prescription drugs


Some people you just can't reach.

I know this first hand.
Yesterday 9 AM my wife was hit by a drunk driver, 3 hours later I was rear ended and the driver took off. We both came out without a scratch and both vehicles only have minor damage.

 

[tbgunner88]

I know this first hand.
Yesterday 9 AM my wife was hit by a drunk driver, 3 hours later I was rear ended and the driver took off. We both came out without a scratch and both vehicles only have minor damage.

Drunk at 9 AM? Sounds like a real winner. Glad you guys are ok.

 

[suckersrus]

When I read this several days ago I could not believe it.

So I took out my old model 59 and some left-over 9mm Black Talon bullets and the OP is correct.

The emergency room doc says I may have to learn to shoot one-handed from now on. The bullet missed the bone and once the infection clears up and the soreness goes away I will be good as new.

A couple days after that, and a handful of pain pills, I got my 1066 out to see if it would do the same thing.
But without actually dropping the hammer it is impossible to tell.

The emergency room doc says the bullet missed my thigh bone and the drainage should not last more than a week. So I should be back on the firing range by Christmas. I have already told my wife, no more old S&W's for me. She is going to get me a new Shield for Christmas.

 

[85V65Sabre]

Drunk at 9 AM? Sounds like a real winner. Glad you guys are ok.

I think it was leftover from Saturday night.
Thanks

 

[W.E.G.]

Drunk at 9 AM? Sounds like a real winner. Glad you guys are ok.

Those are the worst ones.

Typically, the worst drunks are also nocturnal. Many don't even rouse until midday or later.

Then they start drinking around the "normal" happy hour.
Which is BREAKFAST for them, but hey, if you're gonna be a hardcore drunk, you gotta get hardcore.

 

[smokey04]

Poor firearms safety is not condoned here,this is a tough but, fair crowd. However mistakes are all part of the learning experience so, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
Let me be the last to say ,"shame on you but, I understand"
Let me be the first to ask, was it a muscular "through and through" or was there bone damage? I pray not the latter.
Thirty five years ago or so, I suffered a range accident on an Army pistol range. The PFC involved was told if there is a problem on the firing line to point the weapon[.45 Auto] down to the front and await a Range Officer. as I approached from the rear he did as he was told but, turned to face me. The weapon had a defective dis-connector so when I reached out to take the pistol he still had a firing grip and no thumb safety engaged! The jarring of my taking hold of the pistol was enough to cause the weapon to discharge, unfortunately, the slug hit me in the right shin bone and ran down to ricochet off my outside ankle bone[ruined a good set of boots!]. In later years it nearly ruined my career because I couldn't run for the Physical Fitness Test requirements. I did manage to survive the "Physical Profile Review Board" and finish my career at 23 years.Stuff happens and a "sin" is committed, the important point now is, DON"T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN. I pray for your speedy and handicap free recovery.Regards, Nick

 

[jag22]

Since this thread has wandered a little into gun safety I will add what I read in this mornings paper. The professional re-enactors in Tombstone, AZ doing their OK Corral shootout, one of them forgot to switch out his live ammo for blanks and shot one of his fellow actors. Even with safety measures in place, mistakes still happen.

 

[chaparrito]

As I don't yet own a 3rd gen pistol and am avidly reading about them while on the lookout, this has been a very informative thread.
Regarding the OP though, I think you guys all just got punked.

 

[85V65Sabre]

Regarding the OP though, I think you guys all just got punked.

We have learned more about the safety of our guns.
So who got "punked"?

 

[Big Shrek]

Pics or it didn't happen.

Show us the boo-boo.

 

[rwsmith]

Well when something doesn't work......

You are 100% correct.
I still don't trust anything mechanical, period, not to fail.
My cynicism probably stems from my profession of repairing mechanical, electrical, hydraulic, and electronic things that fail.

But, yes, I was actually bypassing the mag safety.

Notice how I double checked everything to ensure no rounds could get into the chamber.
Also, notice the fact that I had it pointed downrange.

Having had a couple of NDs in my younger days, that did not result in any bodily harm to anyone, I have no interest in reliving those past mistakes.

When something doesn't work like you think it should, not because it malfunctions or is broken, but because you didn't expect it to work that way may mean that you are attending a funeral in a few days that didn't have to happen.

 

[rwsmith]

I usually scoff...

Everyone who owns firearms knows all about the rabid anti-gun press being very eager and willing to report any shooting, accidental or not. I have done a Google search for such an incident, and the only report of such an incident that occurred on that day (10-10, according to OP) states that it happened in the morning, which doesn't match the timeline given by OP. The story is short and vague...

Man Accidentally Shoots Himself With a Gun | News - Home
I too am suspicious, but some 3rd Gen owners have learned more about their firearms, and safety tips worth repeating have been posted.. this thread has its benefits.

I usually scoff at the 'He was cleaning his gun and it went off, thing." but I know a case it happened. Dork in an apartment building was always showing off cleaning his semi auto in the doorway with a shark grin on his face that told me he shouldn't be let loose with guns. Thing went off one day and went into my BILs apartment and two interior walls with two children inside.

Get this. A friend of mine was showing his gun to a client in his office and worked the slide and it went off, bouncing off the concrete floor into the couch the client was sitting on. My friend is an avid collector and a member of a private gun club where NO funny business of any kind is tolerated. One warning only and you're out. What happened? At this same no-nonsense club, a guy was on the line in the evening when only a few people were around and somehow shot himself. They gathered that it wasn't intentional.

Now this stuff scares me. It tells me that even if you know what you are doing 'stuff' can still happen.

HOPEFULLY if all the rules are followed in the event of a 'stupid' discharge nobody will be hurt if the gun isn't pointing at anybody it shouldn't.

 

[0849]

Other Interesting Unintended Discharges

As it seems very related to this thread, recently, believe it was a couple of weeks ago, one of the re-enactors in Tombstone Arizona reportedly mistakenly placed live rounds in his revolver instead of blanks and shot another re-enactor and also hit one of the spectators with a ricochet according to the news reports.

 

[SG-688]

Any 39/59 series pistol

Some still seem stuck on this being limited to the 3rd generation pistols. Any 39/59 series pistol can be manipulated to fire without the magazine, as others have described. The spring under the rear sight that pushes down the trigger bar cannot overcome the connection of the trigger bar with the sear - or hammer in DA.

I post about this twice a year or so and am always met with crickets. The last time was Oct. 11.

The OP may be .. kidding ... but - 40 years ago, a professional instructor demonstrating the safety features of the Mdl. 39 demonstrated by shooting himself in the head. Then about 20 years ago, a man demonstrating the safety features of a Mdl. 39 to his wife, shot and killed his daughter. He then used the same pistol to commit suicide. I'm aware of a couple of other non-injury close-call accidents.

I'm not blaming the pistol design, but all the other comments about firearm safety apply.

(Color me not a fan of magazine disconnects, but that's another discussion.)

 

[85V65Sabre]

Some still seem stuck on this being limited to the 3rd generation pistols. Any 39/59 series pistol can be manipulated to fire without the magazine, as others have described. The spring under the rear sight that pushes down the trigger bar cannot overcome the connection of the trigger bar with the sear - or hammer in DA.



I post about this twice a year or so and am always met with crickets. The last time was Oct. 11.



I'm not blaming the pistol design, but all the other comments about firearm safety apply.



(Color me not a fan of magazine disconnects, but that's another discussion.)

I don't think anyone meant to say it's a 3rd gen only issue.
I only own 3rd gens, so I could not speak of this being a issue on earlier models.

Your post seen below only says "39/59"
You did not mention any 3rd gens, 3900/5900/4500/4000.

Also to safety:



Any 39/59 can be manipulated to fire without the magazine despite a functioning magazine disconnect.



Some have discovered this inadvertently with the results you would expect.



I love the 39, but it's a fact everyone should know.

 

[SG-688]

"Series" indicates all the generations.

That's a term that used to be used. Perhaps not lately.