The Shields, and M&P line, are an unqualified success. 
Here's why new 3rd Gens are history
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I wonder how many of them have shot and owned a 3rd Gen? What do they know???
PS: The dark haired on with the dark blouse behind the sign is pretty cute. I opened the magnifier for a closer look.
PPS: Does anybody think I'm in a contrary mood today?
I wonder how many of them have shot and owned a 3rd Gen? What do they know???
PS: The dark haired on with the dark blouse behind the sign is pretty cute. I opened the magnifier for a closer look.
PPS: Does anybody think I'm in a contrary mood today?
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A million M&P's already! I bet that is about how many 3rd gens were manufactured over the 20 years that they were made by S&W. What do you guys and gals think? More or less than a million?
After my recent post.....
After my recent post about buying and trying out a Shield, plus comments from other people. I'd say it's a huge success.
(Now that doesn't keep me from liking 3rd gens any less.)
After my recent post about buying and trying out a Shield, plus comments from other people. I'd say it's a huge success.
(Now that doesn't keep me from liking 3rd gens any less.)
I love my 6906 and carried it on and off duty. Now I carry a S&W Shield, time marches on. I like my Model 18 and Model 28 too. The Gen Threes will definitely create a new collector's catagory.
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Could very well be. At least they have parts for them.
American guns produced by American workers. An honest days pay for an honest days work.
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1,000,000 Shields since early 2012, less than 4 years. They might rival the 6,000,000 or so M&P revolvers made someday, if they continue the line. Who knows how many other M&P's have been made.
This is one reason....
Perhaps the quality drop in other areas could be explained by this concentration on putting out M&P pistols.
Perhaps the quality drop in other areas could be explained by this concentration on putting out M&P pistols.
A lot, if not most, people who work at S&W don't own or shoot guns. One of the factory tours I went on, back when they did those, was by a retired guy who worked for S&W for over 30 years. He was given an N frame revolver when he retired and told use he never shot it, didn't own any other guns, and kept it in a safe at home.
PS: The dark haired on with the dark blouse behind the sign is pretty cute. I opened the magnifier for a closer look.
Yes.
I'd say we are all in somewhat unusual moods today.
Oh, man!!!
You are bad!!! Not to mention job security!Could very well be. At least they have parts for them.
Somewhat seriously. Are there any known problems with the Shield? I've been wrestling with the idea of buying one, just because.
Being in MA, I have to figure in about $100.00 or so on top of the selling price for a replacement (reasonable pull) trigger. A few used ones have popped up recently with the trigger modification done, but I'm still on the fence.
Being in MA, I have to figure in about $100.00 or so on top of the selling price for a replacement (reasonable pull) trigger. A few used ones have popped up recently with the trigger modification done, but I'm still on the fence.
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Not to mention job security!
Plus it gives people something to talk about, definitely win-win
The $100.00 MA "tax" on S&W M&P products is a real bummer.
I feel your pain. You should come with me to the range someday and try mine... just to see if you can live with the stock 27-1/2 pound MA trigger. It's for the children after all.
I had an M&P9c with trigger work done by Greg Derr. It shot well and the trigger was fine. I bought that used from the original owner at a reasonable price. THENNNNNNN, I found a lightly used (college PD) 6906, which was everything the M&P was and a 3rd Gen. Bought that, sold the M&P, never looked back. Still, a Shield wouldn't be a bad gun to have if the trigger pull wasn't required to be 10.5 pounds per MA law.
The $100.00 MA "tax" on S&W M&P products is a real bummer.
It's for the children after all.
3 Options...
1) Swallow hard and pay the "tax", or
2) Find a used free state model somewhere... somehow, or,
3) Buy one off a LEO (or maybe qualify yourself for a blue label?).
I feel your pain... but remember: If you want a very compact plastic 9mm without having to pay the MA "tax", consider an LC9s. It's no Shield, but it's a pretty good substitute at a whopping savings for us subjects of Massachusetts.
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What is this $100 tax?
TTSH is referring to the $100.00 or so that is required to make the trigger useable. MA state law requires handguns to have a minimum trigger pull of #10.5 (I think). It does not require the purchaser to keep the trigger pull at that level, and there are kits to reduce it to a more reasonable level. With installation those kits come to about $100.00 or so.
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