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Massachusetts compliant Shield?
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The 6.5 gun is a show piece and a show piece only LGS in mass are under strict rules that they must NOT sell the weapon and use it only as a demo piece. When the shield does become compliant they will have to return the 6.5 gun
I would think that he, like most, would favor Beretta, although the previous one may have favored the Vis, which was usually called a Radom.
northframingham
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On the S&W site they "NOW" list (2) MA Compliant Versions: 9mm & .40S&W
The first one listed is the 9mm & The second link is the .40S&W
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...layErrorView_Y
Product: Smith & Wesson M&P SHIELD
SKU: 180051
Estimated Availability - October 2012
Trigger Pull:10.5 lbs. +/
The first one listed is the 9mm & The second link is the .40S&W
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...layErrorView_Y
Product: Smith & Wesson M&P SHIELD
SKU: 180051
Estimated Availability - October 2012
Trigger Pull:10.5 lbs. +/
shutupdata113
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i think its stupid that each state has its ''own gun laws'' everystate should have the same laws ....some states need no courses or certifications to get a gun, when you turn 18 walk in and walk out with a gun. no wonder there are so many maniacs runnin around killin people.....
N4KVE
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You have to be careful here. Should you have to shoot a burglar in your house which would normally be justified, the police will take your gun & test it. Then the DA will want to know why you "hotrodded" your trigger to exceed the Mass spec's on what is legal in your state. You just don't know what the law can do in those Commie states. GARY N4KVE
northframingham
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There are NO laws stating you can not lower the #'s on the trigger of a gun you own!
With that being said....
In Massachusetts: If you shoot anybody... Even completely "Justified" to protect yourself or the life of another. You better get a Lawyer!
djames7726
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In any state you will need to get a lawyer. But the first thing you need to do is get the names of all the witnesses. You will need them when the case goes to court.
yanici
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My new MA compliant will be quickly have its 10# trigger redone. Ain't no doubt about it.
I just plopped down $389.99 for a 9MM Shield because we have tax free weekend coming up and local shop let me pay ahead by two days. The guns should be available in MA sometime in September.
It looks like they won't have the red flag LCI that the CA guns have and I also noticed that the MA model didn't list having a mag disconnect. Should be a great gun after I get the trigger done.
I just plopped down $389.99 for a 9MM Shield because we have tax free weekend coming up and local shop let me pay ahead by two days. The guns should be available in MA sometime in September.
It looks like they won't have the red flag LCI that the CA guns have and I also noticed that the MA model didn't list having a mag disconnect. Should be a great gun after I get the trigger done.
KLYDE
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Chevy, believe it. It is true. I live in MA. Example: I attempted to buy a PC 625. The LGS owner checks his vendors. Many have 625's in stock but NO MA compliant 625's I ask the GS owner what is the difference. The powers to be here in the Commonwealth have imposed heavy trigger pulls. So unless the trigger pull meets MA standards the gun IS NOT compliant. Thankfully I purchased most of my guns years ago before the change. SA= 5 3/4 and DA=10lbs. HELP!!
KLYDE
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COORSLIGHT, I'll second that. 7 years and counting. Retirement and heading North to God's Country. Good luck.
16.05: Sale of Handguns Without Childproofing
(1) It shall be an unfair or deceptive practice to sell a handgun without a safety device in violation of M.G.L. c. 140, § 131K.
(2) It shall be an unfair or deceptive practice for a handgun-purveyor to transfer or offer to transfer to any customer located within the Commonwealth any handgun which does not contain a mechanism which effectively precludes an average five year old child from operating the handgun when it is ready to fire; such mechanisms shall include, but are not limited to: raising trigger resistance to at least a ten pound pull, altering the firing mechanism so that an average five year old child's hands are too small to operate the handgun, or requiring a series of multiple motions in order to fire the handgun.
(3) It shall be an unfair or deceptive practice for a handgun-purveyor to transfer or offer to transfer to any customer located within the Commonwealth any handgun which does not contain a load indicator or magazine safety disconnect.
(4) 940 CMR 16.05(2) shall not apply to handguns which have a hammer deactivation device. 940 CMR 16.05(3) applies only to handguns that have a mechanism to load cartridges via a magazine.
The MA compliant Shield SKU 180051 has a 10.5 pound trigger pull. If however, I am reading the law correctly, according to section (4), section (2) does not apply if the gun has a hammer deactivation device.
I haven't received my MA compliant Shield yet (just purchased from a PA gun shop) but I believe that it has a hammer disconect just like my other carry gun, the big brother model 59. If that is the case, why does it need the 10.5 lb trigger???
(1) It shall be an unfair or deceptive practice to sell a handgun without a safety device in violation of M.G.L. c. 140, § 131K.
(2) It shall be an unfair or deceptive practice for a handgun-purveyor to transfer or offer to transfer to any customer located within the Commonwealth any handgun which does not contain a mechanism which effectively precludes an average five year old child from operating the handgun when it is ready to fire; such mechanisms shall include, but are not limited to: raising trigger resistance to at least a ten pound pull, altering the firing mechanism so that an average five year old child's hands are too small to operate the handgun, or requiring a series of multiple motions in order to fire the handgun.
(3) It shall be an unfair or deceptive practice for a handgun-purveyor to transfer or offer to transfer to any customer located within the Commonwealth any handgun which does not contain a load indicator or magazine safety disconnect.
(4) 940 CMR 16.05(2) shall not apply to handguns which have a hammer deactivation device. 940 CMR 16.05(3) applies only to handguns that have a mechanism to load cartridges via a magazine.
The MA compliant Shield SKU 180051 has a 10.5 pound trigger pull. If however, I am reading the law correctly, according to section (4), section (2) does not apply if the gun has a hammer deactivation device.
I haven't received my MA compliant Shield yet (just purchased from a PA gun shop) but I believe that it has a hammer disconect just like my other carry gun, the big brother model 59. If that is the case, why does it need the 10.5 lb trigger???
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The Massachusetts compliant Shield does not have a firing pin, has a plugged barrel, and is completely non-functional.
To buy it, you have to submit an application, pay a $200.00 fee and submit your fingerprints, taken on a digital scanner which is only available at the state agency which evaluates the applications, and the address of the agency is not published and their phone number is unlisted.
Actually, the big difference is the trigger pull. Massachusetts compliant pistols must have a trigger pull greater than 10 or 10.5 pounds. There are probably other requirements, but that is a big one.
The heavy trigger pull MAY help with negligent discharges, but virtually guarantees that you will miss your intended target and hit a bystander or family member.
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MA Guns
I've got an unrestricted concealed carry permit and if I go across the border to NH, I have to produce that permit, even to buy ammo. To purchase a handgun, it must be MA compliant, and be shipped to a licensed seller in MA. I can then take it back to them and have it modified. Pretty stupid that I have to buy the handgun from them, have it shipped to MA, then go back to the same store and have it modified for $60.
I've got an unrestricted concealed carry permit and if I go across the border to NH, I have to produce that permit, even to buy ammo. To purchase a handgun, it must be MA compliant, and be shipped to a licensed seller in MA. I can then take it back to them and have it modified. Pretty stupid that I have to buy the handgun from them, have it shipped to MA, then go back to the same store and have it modified for $60.
I am a retired career LEO who recently moved into MA from the Midwest. Soon after my arrival, I brought my two service guns (Mods 66 and 60) to my new local PD for registration, as had been required at my former residence. I was told by the Chief that firearms registration was not required, but I should apply for a "License To Carry" (LTC). Since I held permission to carry by the LEOSA Act, I asked why I needed a MA LTC. he replied "the Feds don't live in my town, but you do". I understood his message, and obtained the LTC, and with permission for extended capacity magazines too. I set out to refresh my inventory with selections from the M&P line of pistols. Sadly, I had intended to do so before I left the Midwest, and if I had, my selections would have been grandfathered in under MA laws, as long as I have the paper trail to prove it. Shoot!
BTW Gents, remember that all firearms transactions are traceable, and the Feds seem more efficient when a LEO is involved. I once met a US Atty who kept score of his LEO convictions...never mind...'Nuther thread, eh?
What I learned is less than 6 months old, and learned first hand. This is 411 from the horse's mouth, not a distant relative of my sister's first boyfriend. I offer this to y'all out of respect for y'all. Some of my comments conflict with previous posts here, some compliment. Either way, it is with respect.
The "why" of the heavy trigger pull has been explained correctly. My research revealed the same results. Moreover, the NYPD supports it because they have uncountable guns in the hands of active and retired officers, all of whom need 3X the training and range time they get. Thus, training and range time is "sketchy" at best, and most, if not the majority of that population are not "gun nuts" such as us. My former Department counted (or tried to) no less that 17,000 "off duty" guns, and gave up the counting at that number. How many of those LEOs do you think really care about trigger pull?
The Shield (and other M&P guns) are "striker fired", thus the gun is actually a single action mode when at the ready, yes? Shouldn't take too long at the range to learn how to deal with the pull, and the reset. My two 9c pistols reset the firing stage with less than 1inch of slide travel, making dry fire at home an easy chore.
My experience is that the Shield, 9, and 9c can be purchased with a mag disconnect, or a manual safety, but not both. I chose the manual safety and installed the mag disconnect after purchase because you CANNOT add a manual safety after purchase. Gunsmiths are willing, but S&W will not install after purchase and will not sell the part(s), to anyone. Not Brownells, not Midway, no one.
Remember...Everything you do to change a gun (including all guns now) after buying it, you are responsible for. The post ^there where you are cautioned, is 100 percent true, and 90 percent likely. If you are caught (in any manner) with a gun that does not meet MA law, the gun is confiscated and the state has a choice of criminal or civil prosecution. If it is a "heater case" such as a child killed by an unintentional discharge, expect both. Hell, even your next-door neighbor can sue you for harboring a dangerous weapon in his vicinity. DO NOT underestimate the civil process, seems like "high silly" earns high score.
I can say more, but I've said enough for now. I expect the usual comments, not a problem. But be respectful, save the stone throwing for when I really blow it out my azz.
Y'all be safe.
BTW Gents, remember that all firearms transactions are traceable, and the Feds seem more efficient when a LEO is involved. I once met a US Atty who kept score of his LEO convictions...never mind...'Nuther thread, eh?
What I learned is less than 6 months old, and learned first hand. This is 411 from the horse's mouth, not a distant relative of my sister's first boyfriend. I offer this to y'all out of respect for y'all. Some of my comments conflict with previous posts here, some compliment. Either way, it is with respect.
The "why" of the heavy trigger pull has been explained correctly. My research revealed the same results. Moreover, the NYPD supports it because they have uncountable guns in the hands of active and retired officers, all of whom need 3X the training and range time they get. Thus, training and range time is "sketchy" at best, and most, if not the majority of that population are not "gun nuts" such as us. My former Department counted (or tried to) no less that 17,000 "off duty" guns, and gave up the counting at that number. How many of those LEOs do you think really care about trigger pull?
The Shield (and other M&P guns) are "striker fired", thus the gun is actually a single action mode when at the ready, yes? Shouldn't take too long at the range to learn how to deal with the pull, and the reset. My two 9c pistols reset the firing stage with less than 1inch of slide travel, making dry fire at home an easy chore.
My experience is that the Shield, 9, and 9c can be purchased with a mag disconnect, or a manual safety, but not both. I chose the manual safety and installed the mag disconnect after purchase because you CANNOT add a manual safety after purchase. Gunsmiths are willing, but S&W will not install after purchase and will not sell the part(s), to anyone. Not Brownells, not Midway, no one.
Remember...Everything you do to change a gun (including all guns now) after buying it, you are responsible for. The post ^there where you are cautioned, is 100 percent true, and 90 percent likely. If you are caught (in any manner) with a gun that does not meet MA law, the gun is confiscated and the state has a choice of criminal or civil prosecution. If it is a "heater case" such as a child killed by an unintentional discharge, expect both. Hell, even your next-door neighbor can sue you for harboring a dangerous weapon in his vicinity. DO NOT underestimate the civil process, seems like "high silly" earns high score.
I can say more, but I've said enough for now. I expect the usual comments, not a problem. But be respectful, save the stone throwing for when I really blow it out my azz.
Y'all be safe.
Brendan2904
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[QUOTE I understood his message, and obtained the LTC, and with permission for extended capacity magazines too. I set out to refresh my inventory with selections from the M&P line of pistols. Sadly, I had intended to do so before I left the Midwest, and if I had, my selections would have been grandfathered in under MA laws, as long as I have the paper trail to prove it.
This is not true. The only large capacity magazines legal in MA have to have been manufactured pre-ban 1994. Seeing there were no M&P's pre 1994 they are not legal in MA.
Saying this when I purchased my FS M&P 40 from a local store and it was a MA compliant model when I got it home looking closer it had two 15 round mags in the box that I now keep at my camp out of state.
This is not true. The only large capacity magazines legal in MA have to have been manufactured pre-ban 1994. Seeing there were no M&P's pre 1994 they are not legal in MA.
Saying this when I purchased my FS M&P 40 from a local store and it was a MA compliant model when I got it home looking closer it had two 15 round mags in the box that I now keep at my camp out of state.
Hopefully, he was just talking about bringing in some "free state" version pistols from the M&P line and not post-ban hi-cap magazines to go with them.
Although, I wonder if he is protected by the LEOSA Act in that regard?
Remember too that Massachusetts law is changing and exempting cops and ex-cops from even more of the rules that we peon non-LEO subjects must live under. I haven't gotten into that topic very much because I am neither a LEO or a former LEO.
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