Is Sig becoming the new S&W of old?

[DanHend]

Haven't been on in a while but am having a tough time with wanting new pistols. I have always liked the 3rd gens and wish they were still available new. I have noticed Sig has offerings much like the 3rd gens, 229 etc. and also striker fire, 320. I only own smiths but am getting the itch for a Sig, mainly because they seem to be what S&W used to be. Anyone else notice this or agree?

I'd hate to have to start buying a new company........not like I'm a sponsored shooter or anything but in my mind it would be a big deal ��

TD

If Sig starts making revolvers, then yes. Until then, Sig Sauer is Sig Sauer.

Sig wants to be your one-stop shop for everything. You need ammo, they have practice FMJ and hollowpoints (including full power 10mm). You want an optic, check out their Romeo series. You need a rifle, they have adapted AR and AK platforms. If you need pistols, you can go low and get an SP2022 (what Sig considers lowend, Ruger can only dream), or go sky high for an X5.

To be honest, Sigs got me to look into 3rd Gens Smiths. When I got back into firearms 3 years ago, I wanted a P226ST, but didn't have the money and couldn't find one used. So I bought a 5906TSW that I absolutely loved and hate myself for selling (in part for an X5 Allround with a trigger job). I'm a little less broke up about the 4566TSW, but I'll get a Melonite or a integral rail version later.

As far as Sig's future, there's talk of a single stack P320 for CCW and other uses. They had a prototype of a P320 Competition models with a 5" barrel and recontoured grip, but a different fire-control unit that won't work in other P320s (the grip shells work, but I'm not sure if they're trying to fix it or not). The Legion series is going to expand with more models (including rifles), and later this year the P210 is coming back in a 4", 5", and 6" version with a target price of $1,500.

 

[Dennis]

I found and bought a very nice 3914 and about the same time a Sig 2022 in 9mm. Then i found a like new 220 in 45 with 4 mags in the used case. I have 1911's; colt, kimber and dan wesson. The 3914 shoots incredibly well as do both of the sigs. I really like all three. They actually shoot as well and sometimes better, (depending on the day) as my 1911s. The 1st pistol on my ccw is the 3914, then a kimber cdpII in 45, then third is a DW guardian in 38 super. I am seriously considering exchanging one of the 11s for one of the sigs on my CCW. For winter, of course. They ARE fatter than a sleek 1911. They field-strip extremely fast, clean easily and are very robust.
And yes, I have plenty of S&W revolvers, too. lol

 

[BLUEDOT37]

Sig P220-10, Elite Stainless, SAO

I don't have any Sigs, & not very familiar with them, but got to fondle one at the LGS today. It was a P220 Elite Stainless, 10mm, adjustable rear sight, nice rosewood grips & was the SAO model. Liked it quit a bit better that the last Sig I did a quick look-over of.

Their ejector assembly is way different than anything else I've noticed. Tagged at $1149 that seemed pretty fair, especially compared to the many premium 1911's.

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PS: Couldn't find the exact model on Sig's page. Found out it's a Lipsey only offering.

Wake-up S&W! Are you listening... we like!!

SIG SAUER P220-10 10MM - SI220R510SSESAO - LIPSEY'S EXCLUSIVE - 220R5-10-SSE-SAO - UPC:798681517626 - Lipseys.com

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[rwsmith]

I can't say that is at all typical......

My first pistol was a s&w 4006 in the early 90's and it was inconsistent at best. Smith even put a new barrel in it and it still had issues, shoot good one magazine, the next would be off the paper even resting the gun. I traded it and saw it twice more in the used case over a few years. My only other 3rd gen was a cs40 and that worked ok but never bonded with me like my other guns so it is long gone now too. I always liked the looks and feel on the 3rd gen smiths, but they just didn't do it for me in accuracy or reliability. Others have had great luck with them though.

Man, that is plain WEIRD. I've never heard of a 3rd gen that persistently messed up. The bushing/barrel fit must have been off or the camming and resetting of the barrel within the slide. In other words, it couldn't have been just the barrel.

 

[BigBoy99]

To answer the OP's question, Yes, SIG is becoming/already is the S&W of old. S&W ownership changed hands many times in the past and some of the owners were not really interested in keep S&W a viable gun company. The disastrous deal struck with the Clinton administration did nothing for the company and it reputation. S&W decline can be traced to the poor management decisions and ownership changes over the years. The S&W's move the less expensive to manufacturer plastic/striker fired handguns seems to be the only way they can remain a player in the handgun business.

Just my $0.02.

 

[Arik]

+1 for the Sigs, I too have one of the Swiss police guns, I likes it so much that I picked up a SAS P229,

The Sig P series models shoot as well as the Smiths. I like them a lot.

for reference, the P228 is a stamped piece in a 9mm while the p229 is a forged one piece of metal.

main difference. The 228 feels light and nimble in the hand while the 229 feels more sold and heavier.

All the different magwell. Early 229 were the same as 228 but for a while they have been 2 different guns. You can't even swap mags

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[18DAI]

I don't know if they are the S&W of old, but they are the only gun company making new handguns that I want to buy.

Well made, metal framed, hammer fired guns, with good triggers, that are accurate and reliable. And look good doing all that. Regards 18DAI

 

[opaul]

I love my Sig pistols. Accurate and have never had a malfunction.

 

[Arik]

I don't have any Sigs, & not very familiar with them, but got to fondle one at the LGS today. It was a P220 Elite Stainless, 10mm, adjustable rear sight, nice rosewood grips & was the SAO model. Liked it quit a bit better that the last Sig I did a quick look-over of.

Their ejector assembly is way different than anything else I've noticed. Tagged at $1149 that seemed pretty fair, especially compared to the many premium 1911's.

.

PS: Couldn't find the exact model on Sig's page. Found out it's a Lipsey only offering.

Wake-up S&W! Are you listening... we like!!

SIG SAUER P220-10 10MM - SI220R510SSESAO - LIPSEY'S EXCLUSIVE - 220R5-10-SSE-SAO - UPC:798681517626 - Lipseys.com

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That's not a bad price but I don't know too many people looking to spend that kind of money on a gun. I know I'm not. And if S&W makes their 3rd gens again and at that price I doubt there would be too many sales

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[BAM-BAM]

I'm stuck in the 80s and 90s .......... Beretta 92 variants, Sigs P series and 3rd Gen Smiths.


As I've said many time I'm glad I bought mine years ago...... for quality and the price!!!!!!

 

[Muss Muggins]

Let me help you out with the appropriate answer.

Yup. I've had several Sig's over the years, including a 220, 225, 226, and 239.and they're fine pistols. Still have the 225 because I like the way the gun fits my hand, and I also have a 1911 TacOps. Still, nothing shoots better than my P7.

 

[BAM-BAM]

Yup. I've had several Sig's over the years, including a 220, 225, 226, and 239.and they're fine pistols. Still have the 225 because I like the way the gun fits my hand, and I also have a 1911 TacOps. Still, nothing shoots better than my P7.

Been awhile.... does that have the heel mag release?

The P7 is a great gun if you're willing to "dedicate" yourself to it's unique manual of arms...........................

 

[James&theGiant1911]

Those Swiss police pieces once imported and sold through the appropriate dealers went like hot cakes. You very rarely if ever see them pop back up on auction sites and when you do they bring 80 percent of the new prices.

Those Sigs sold as police used trade ins in the 500 dollar range. I wish I would have found them sooner as I think most of the dealer employees picked up the premium models for friends and family while we all had the shield stamped Swiss models selling for the same 499--- price tag.

the beaters went for less than that. We do not get as many imported firearms from places like Robertsons and such any longer. Wonder why?

 

[Muss Muggins]

Been awhile.... does that have the heel mag release?

The P7 is a great gun if you're willing to "dedicate" yourself to it's unique manual of arms...........................

Mine has the ambi release/catch . . .

 

[Arik]

Yup. I've had several Sig's over the years, including a 220, 225, 226, and 239.and they're fine pistols. Still have the 225 because I like the way the gun fits my hand, and I also have a 1911 TacOps. Still, nothing shoots better than my P7.

I'd love a P7 of the m13 or whatever they are called. Unfortunately I missed the boat on affordable Ps.

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[gnappi]

I have a Sig and Berettas and Beretta designs to me are much more comfortable and familiar replacements for my sainted S&W's.

 

[fyimo]

Those Swiss police pieces once imported and sold through the appropriate dealers went like hot cakes. You very rarely if ever see them pop back up on auction sites and when you do they bring 80 percent of the new prices.

Those Sigs sold as police used trade ins in the 500 dollar range. I wish I would have found them sooner as I think most of the dealer employees picked up the premium models for friends and family while we all had the shield stamped Swiss models selling for the same 499--- price tag.

the beaters went for less than that. We do not get as many imported firearms from places like Robertsons and such any longer. Wonder why?

I ended up buying two Swiss Police trade in's and later gave one to my son. They were $500 each and one of the two I got was like brand new so it was a super steal at that price.

About 4 years before that the German Police trade in P6's came in which were slightly modified P225's and they sold for $259 when they first came in. I bought two and later sold one and had the other one refinished and still only had $500 in it.

This is the German P6 after getting it redone.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'd love a P7 of the m13 or whatever they are called. Unfortunately I missed the boat on affordable Ps.

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[S&W Rover]

I have a Sig 226 in .40 S&W that I bought a .357 Sig barrel for. A police officer had it prior to me for 6 months but decided to move on to a .45 ACP. I figured it was a decent buy at $425 since it came with 4 magazines. My buddies now tell me that I have a gun with two obsolete calibers and need to sell it at the next gun show. The gun looks like new and shoots fine. Think I will keep it and let them rag on me some more. Truth is they probably want to buy it.

.357 Sig may become more of a niche caliber - like a .41 Magnum, similar in conceived purpose and used only by a small minority - but as long as someone is willing to make the ammo, and we can buy via the internet, it will be okay to own and shoot one (though not cheap). And they can be reloaded. As for .40 S&W, it remains popular although the 9mm has supplanted it in many situations. .40 is a great round, more capable than 9mm (improvements in bullets for 9mm mean .40 bullets are better too), and it will be around for a long time! But I suspect your friends know that!

 

[James&theGiant1911]

I ended up buying two Swiss Police trade in's and later gave one to my son. They were $500 each and one of the two I got was like brand new so it was a super steal at that price.

About 4 years before that the German Police trade in P6's came in which were slightly modified P225's and they sold for $259 when they first came in. I bought two and later sold one and had the other one refinished and still only had $500

Yeah I had to replace the night sites in mine which I did with meprolights. Thought about rebluing the gun but it would lose its markings and decided to clean it really good which brought back some of the blue back. Those pieces were really nice and I am surprised they did. Not bring them back to the states to sell.