I suspect a lot of ccl holders are just determined to have those rights rescinded lol
Would you submit to being carded?
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What the law? can any property owner "card" you?????
Yes we are: within the scope of the state's cc laws
MichiganScott
Member
They have the right to ask me to leave, but they don't have the right to ask me if I'm carrying legally, whether it's carried openly or not.
If they aren't a LEO, I'm not complying with their request. Plenty of gun friendly businesses will be carrying the same product
If they aren't a LEO, I'm not complying with their request. Plenty of gun friendly businesses will be carrying the same product
I carry a series 70 1911, and no one knows. It is there for a reason. A reason that does not include an escalation in the situation on the off chance of discovery.
I generally refrain from argument, and never while I am armed.
I generally refrain from argument, and never while I am armed.
I'm with M1A on this one. No need to escalate or antagonize the store management, and given the chance of a bystander doing something stupid, better to exercise discretion. Or just depart the fix.
F75gunslinger
Member
Actually a very big difference. Generally the no shirt or shoes rule is a health department regulation. The owners have no choice but to comply. The gun rules are set forth by the owner themselves, and on private property they have the discretion as to what is acceptable.
Rastoff
US Veteran
Yet another reason not to open carry. It just leads to confrontation. This same person would not have had an issue had they been concealed.
I believe that you need a license to open carry in Texas. Even so, unless a police officer had probable cause, I would not even recognize that someone was asking me. To avoid the conflict, I would just leave and not come back, ever.
If I were the store owner, I would not ask. If I suspected foul play or drug use, I would just call the police and let them ask.
I believe that you need a license to open carry in Texas. Even so, unless a police officer had probable cause, I would not even recognize that someone was asking me. To avoid the conflict, I would just leave and not come back, ever.
If I were the store owner, I would not ask. If I suspected foul play or drug use, I would just call the police and let them ask.
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Mainsail
Member
I was asked for my CPL once by a cop while carrying openly and I politely refused. Theres no way I would show it to any store clerk.
As I recall the internet chatter and news Texas' new open carry law only gives that right to holders of concealed pistol licenses.
That is not the case in Washington which has had legal open carry since before statehood. State preemption of gun laws eliminates the potential of local prohibitions. Under our laws I would answer are you a LEO? To any answer to that besides "yes" I would reply "I thought you wanted by business," then walk for the door. I am not telling a random minimum wage Wal-Mart employee where to come to steal guns.
However, all the times I've seen people open carrying in Wal-Mart no one has said anything about the gun. It was the same in McDonald's today. An older gentleman was eating where his right side and Ruger faced the front door. No one seemed to notice, or like me weren't interested in a plastic case flinger. Now if he'd been wearing one of the just introduced DA .41 Magnums ....
That is not the case in Washington which has had legal open carry since before statehood. State preemption of gun laws eliminates the potential of local prohibitions. Under our laws I would answer are you a LEO? To any answer to that besides "yes" I would reply "I thought you wanted by business," then walk for the door. I am not telling a random minimum wage Wal-Mart employee where to come to steal guns.
However, all the times I've seen people open carrying in Wal-Mart no one has said anything about the gun. It was the same in McDonald's today. An older gentleman was eating where his right side and Ruger faced the front door. No one seemed to notice, or like me weren't interested in a plastic case flinger. Now if he'd been wearing one of the just introduced DA .41 Magnums ....
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MCorps0311
US Veteran
If it's an officer of the law i'd show it to him. If i'm not breaking any laws in the store i wouldn't show to any employee.
MJFlores
Member
I wouldn't show it to anyone, including an Officer. The officer can call in and ask my towns PD if I have a license, and anyone else...it's none of their business. I'd be nice, but firm. The whole idea is silly. I mean, do these same people walk around asking people for their drivers license because they parked a vehicle out side? How about their SS card to be sure they're a legal resident of this country? Proof of medical insurance now that we ALL have to have it or be fined by the govt? If it were store personnel, all you have to say is "I'm not required to show you that. Should I stay and give you my business, or would you prefer that I and my business go elsewhere". If they kick you out nicely, then leave and let it go. If they kick you out harshly...call the scummiest lawyer you can find and say...go get em on grounds of discrimination. We have Constitutional rights in our country, and none of us should tolerate when they're challenged. Be professional, but be firm.
I carry concealed and you can't see my piece, that's the point of concealment but if I was asked to provide my permit by an employee i would not comply simply because he has no legal authority to ask for and be shown the document. He can asked you to depart the store but beyond that nothing else. A law enforcement agent is different, he has the power of law as it is written in NC.
Rick_A
Member
I just flash my badge, everyone nods, and all is well.
keith44spl
Member
Shucks,
I got card'd over a can of Copenhagen at wally world
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I got card'd over a can of Copenhagen at wally world
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dougb1946
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cmort666
Member
You need NEITHER license NOR ID to open carry in Ohio. The same applies in Pennsylvania except when in Philadelphia.
You could quite truthfully say, "I don't have it." If they didn't like that, they could tell you to leave and you'd have to.
You could quite truthfully say, "I don't have it." If they didn't like that, they could tell you to leave and you'd have to.
Ed Fowler
Member
No I would not show my card and I would never return to that store.
No, it absolutely is not like a badge. It is a permission slip and imputes absolutely no law enforcement authority to the bearer.
