Missouri is one vote away from Constitutional Carry . . .

[Muss Muggins]

The bill, HB 1250, passed the Senate with a veto proof majority and is now headed back to the House for a vote on some minor changes. This must be decided today, as the Missouri Legislative session ends at midnight.

House Bill 1250

 

[Targets Guy]

Go Tigers.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Bill now heads to Governor Nixon's desk. The majorities appear to be veto proof. The bill also expands Missouri's Castle Doctrine and creates a Stand Your Ground right to self defense.

Edit: Removed link to story. Link was broken.

 

[Targets Guy]

Good news. I was not aware that Iowa is a "constitutional carry" state as the article above implies.

 

[AlHunt]

Missouri Constitutional Carry

Looks like Missouri has a strong chance at joining the growing list of states restoring Constitutional Carry to it's citizens:

MO: Permitless or "Constitutional" carry passes Legislature, on to Governor Nixon

The legislature appears to have a veto-proof majority. If the Governor stays true to last years form, he'll drag it out as long as possible, so it could be many months yet. He can drag his heels for 45 days, if he chooses.

 

[G.T. Smith]

I'll believe it when it happens. I kind of figured it would happen after I went through the process.
Peace,
gordon

 

[Road Rat]

Great!! It is spreading to more states every year!!!

 

[CowboyKen]

Good news. I was not aware that Iowa is a "constitutional carry" state as the article above implies.

I am not sure where you saw "Iowa." Iowa is NOT a permitless carry state.

Adding Missouri will bring the total to TEN states that allow (or will soon allow) concealed carry without a permit: Alaska, Arizona, Idaho (effective July 1, 2016; residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Vermont, West Virginia (effective June 5, 2016)[5] and Wyoming.

Ken

 

[DevilDog72]

Congrats to Missouri... now if the rest will follow suit.

 

[woodsltc]

Good news. I was not aware that Iowa is a "constitutional carry" state as the article above implies.

Better read the article again...apparently they edited the article since you read it to show Idaho instead of Iowa as now having constitutional carry.


Don

 

[Targets Guy]

Better read the article again...apparently they edited the article since you read it to show Idaho instead of Iowa as now having constitutional carry.


Don

Now that makes sense. I knew Iowa was not one.

 

[StakeOut]

A little bit of knowledge or no at all is dangerous.

There's no one more pro gun than me and but Constitutional Carry and Open Carry are not on my supported list.

Training is essential part of firearms use and ownership.

Prove your proficiency and knowledge of the law first.

With carrying a gun comes great responsibility to yourself and those around you.It's very different than having a weapon on your nightstand.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Looks like Missouri has a strong chance at joining the growing list of states restoring Constitutional Carry to it's citizens:

MO: Permitless or "Constitutional" carry passes Legislature, on to Governor Nixon

The legislature appears to have a veto-proof majority. If the Governor stays true to last years form, he'll drag it out as long as possible, so it could be many months yet. He can drag his heels for 45 days, if he chooses.

My bet is he just won't sign it, thereby allowing it to become law after the 45 days goes by . . .

 

[Muss Muggins]

A little bit of knowledge or no at all is dangerous.

There's no one more pro gun than me and but Constitutional Carry and Open Carry are not on my supported list.

Training is essential part of firearms use and ownership.

Prove your proficiency and knowledge of the law first.

With carrying a gun comes great responsibility to yourself and those around you.It's very different than having a weapon on your nightstand.

Do you require the same proficiency and knowledge of voters before they vote? Arguably a much more dangerous right . . .

 

[AlHunt]

My bet is he just won't sign it, thereby allowing it to become law after the 45 days goes by . . .

I'll go further out on the limb and bet he vetoes it on the 44th or 45th day, like he did last year.

 

[AlHunt]

A little bit of knowledge or no at all is dangerous.

There's no one more pro gun than me and but Constitutional Carry and Open Carry are not on my supported list.

Training is essential part of firearms use and ownership.

Prove your proficiency and knowledge of the law first.

With carrying a gun comes great responsibility to yourself and those around you.It's very different than having a weapon on your nightstand.

That's not what the amendment says. Criminals carry regardless of laws or requirements anyway.

Besides, it's been shown time and again that people seek out firearms training on their own, required or not.

Restoring full 2nd amendment rights simply puts the average person on even footing with criminals

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'll go further out on the limb and bet he vetoes it on the 44th or 45th day, like he did last year.

Well, he's got higher aspirations and he's out after this year. Anything he does on the national stage will only work if he can deliver Missouri and some other like thinking states, and if put to referendum, like the original CCW, this bill would pass. I'm still betting on not signing it.

 

[da gimp]

Bloomberg's people are putting pressure on old Jay Nixon to fight it... let's wait & see. I'm hard corps NRA... but I've spoken with enough fellow LEO's to understand Stake's misgivings... but from what I've seen in the other constitutional carry/permit less carry states.. very little has gone wrong in them... that hasn't happened already with states requiring permits.


People would do well to seek out training & then remember that they've incurred a terrible burden of responsibility by carrying.

 

[CowboyKen]

A little bit of knowledge or no at all is dangerous.

There's no one more pro gun than me and but Constitutional Carry and Open Carry are not on my supported list.

Training is essential part of firearms use and ownership.

Prove your proficiency and knowledge of the law first.

With carrying a gun comes great responsibility to yourself and those around you.It's very different than having a weapon on your nightstand.

While I agree that serious training is a really good thing, there is no evidence to support the idea that state required training has any positive effect.

If this becomes law in Missouri, there will be seventeen states in which a person can carry a concealed handgun with NO required training at all. These states do not have any statistical difference in accidents involving firearms or misuse of handguns then states that require significant training.

In my opinion this argument that training must be required for those that carry a handgun is just a straw man used against the wave of permit less carry that has no merit at all.

Ken

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'll believe it when it happens. I kind of figured it would happen after I went through the process.
Peace,
gordon

You'll still need the permit to CCW out of state . . .