Would you submit to being carded?
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Would you submit to being carded?
Yes I would be. Why cause an needless fuss. All to often, a few, gun owners are more than willing to cause a needless fuss, that tends to make the rest of look a little out there.
Yes I would be. Why cause an needless fuss. All to often, a few, gun owners are more than willing to cause a needless fuss, that tends to make the rest of look a little out there.
Rastoff
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It may have been a joke in this thread, but these are real. They are also really stupid.
The concept behind the CCW badge is to lessen the chance of being shot by the police. The idea is that when the police roll up and you have the bad guy covered with your gun, they will see the badge and hesitate rather than just shoot you.
At a very basic level that might work. However, looking at the bigger picture, it could be interpreted as impersonating a police officer. I don't know about other states, but here that is a serious crime. We are not the police. There is no valid reason for a CCW badge.
Whitwabit
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Wouldn't be taken as a joke here .. you would stand the distinct possibility of being charged with Impersonating a Police Officer something I wouldn't want ..
On the use of one of these badges was asked by someone in a class I was in and the retired sheriff giving the class stated if someone flashed one he would be arrested for Impersonating a LEO .. Not the kind of trouble I would want to be in !!
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This^^^^
Don't volunteer, and if concealing correctly then nobody will know. Non-issue.
Kronos
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Well as of tomorrow this'll be a funny question here in WV as you won't need one to go about armed......
I'll still carry my old permit and may eventually get a new one so I can go over into OH,PA,KY,VA-that is unless they go and recognize our new law.
I'll still carry my old permit and may eventually get a new one so I can go over into OH,PA,KY,VA-that is unless they go and recognize our new law.
Rastoff
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This is the benefit and bane of carry licenses. Ohio accepts any license from any state. If your state doesn't issue licenses, then you can't carry in Ohio. Funny huh?
Actually, they might. I'm just using this as an example of how not having a license could be bad. However, I'm still on the side of no license necessary is a good thing.
Kronos
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I...actually might go get a out of state CCW permit now,who was the one accepted in most places? FL?
Anyway whichever that is,I didn't before as I felt one permit was enough and not having my home state one just seemed odd but now....no reason to need one here but some extra coverage might be a nice thing.
Anyway whichever that is,I didn't before as I felt one permit was enough and not having my home state one just seemed odd but now....no reason to need one here but some extra coverage might be a nice thing.
Rastoff
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This is the whole problem with the CCW badge. Technically, it's not impersonating a policeman. However, the question is, how will a policeman look at it? Then, how will a judge see it? Ultimately, how will a jury see it?
It's unnecessary and problematic.
We don't see a lot of CCW badges, but they're out there. Around here, volunteer firefighters like to wear badges on their belts, next to their pagers, which has been known to cause more trouble than a CCW badge . . .
Simply not true and statements like yours only perpetuate the myth.
Because of the hoopla started by the pro-gun group using Starbucks as its battleground, the CEO "asked" that no one "OC" in the business and further stated no one would be refused service. Google his letter and read it. Enlighten yourself.
Here's the letter:
An Open Letter From Howard Schultz
I think that this statement is consistent with what USMCHEROS posted . . .
"For these reasons, today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where "open carry" is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel."
The phrase you cite, that no one would be refused service, does not appear in the letter. It may have been part of subsequent discussion and/or clarification, but it's not in the letter.
As I stated, it is a request, he is asking; there is no ban. No one is being refused service.
Now you've made another blanket statement. First you said the CEO said no one would be refused service, which he didn't, and now you're saying that no one is being refused service, which you don't know. Guns are unwelcome at Starbucks, according to the CEO.
To help you remember, here is the statement that got your hackles up. I think the letter is very clear that guns make a lot of Starbucks customers uncomfortable, and they don't want them in the store. They are not sufficiently behind their beliefs to actually confront a carrier, but the letter is clear that they don't want guns in their stores.
And cops who aren't paying customers are also unwelcome.
Starbucks says sorry to police officer refused bathroom access
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Not knowing all the circumstances the incident, he would've been wise to produces CCW card to ease the situation. After all, he was on private property and it is their discretion whether or not he stays. Having said that simply showing the card would probably correct the problem. Legalities aside, it still private property therefore they have the right to refuse service to anybody.
Agreed! That can & will get you arrested for impersonation even if you don't ID yourself as an LEO. if the other person thought you were you can find yourself on a docket.
Dvan34
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My question is are they carding everyone or just randomly carding?
