Strat72
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If there is a ban on AR-15's, then how would that work? Will I have to turn mine in, or do they come get it? Will they buy it back, or will I lose my investment? Their is a lot of talk of this going on right now.
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Arik
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Let me consult my Chrystal ball!?!?!
It will work how they decide it will work. Plain and simple. Either nothing happens or there are multiple ways it can go
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It will work how they decide it will work. Plain and simple. Either nothing happens or there are multiple ways it can go
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It will work like the last ban, and the next ban . . .
(Edit: Nobody comes to get anything from me . . . )
(Edit: Nobody comes to get anything from me . . . )
Do you really think "they" are willing to go kick in that many doors? You have to remember the number of AR platforms owned legally in this country is enormous. Most likely if there is a ban would apply to the purchase of new rifles and a magazine restriction.
Great question. Sadly, we don't have a crystal ball in order to answer the question. It will come down to political might and the balance of power in DC.
The AR platform has proven itself as a target rifle. Between the history as a target rifle, and the historical expectation of the militia reporting with rifles of military style and caliber, and the fact that we are facing terrorist attacks on American soil, it reduces the likelihood of a ban and confiscation.
Circa 1992 when NJ imposed its assault weapons ban under Florio, gun owners were given the opportunity to register said arms by a given date. To date, none have been seized, and none of the registration documents have been cataloged.
The AR platform has proven itself as a target rifle. Between the history as a target rifle, and the historical expectation of the militia reporting with rifles of military style and caliber, and the fact that we are facing terrorist attacks on American soil, it reduces the likelihood of a ban and confiscation.
Circa 1992 when NJ imposed its assault weapons ban under Florio, gun owners were given the opportunity to register said arms by a given date. To date, none have been seized, and none of the registration documents have been cataloged.
LoboGunLeather
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Our US Constitution also contains the "just compensation" clause; i.e.: the government must pay fair market value for any private property taken.
Individual gun owners might want to consider getting together to retain an attorney or law firm to contest valuations, seek court injunctions to prevent the actual taking until the matter of fair market value has been established, and seeking payment of legal fees and costs. If enough folks take this route it could tie things up in court for a couple of years while the underlying constitutional issues can be challenged. Also, as we saw with the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, values will jump dramatically as soon as any new law is implemented (used Mini 14's went from about $200 to over $600 almost overnight, and the 20 and 30 round magazines went from less than $20 to over $100), so putting off the establishment of "fair market value" for a year or two could easily double or triple the government's original planned valuation.
I consider it far more likely that any new ban would contain a grandfathering clause on products existing prior to the enactment of the legislation, perhaps with registration requirements (possibly adding certain firearms to the NFA categories), ownership and/or transfer taxes, etc.
Individual gun owners might want to consider getting together to retain an attorney or law firm to contest valuations, seek court injunctions to prevent the actual taking until the matter of fair market value has been established, and seeking payment of legal fees and costs. If enough folks take this route it could tie things up in court for a couple of years while the underlying constitutional issues can be challenged. Also, as we saw with the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, values will jump dramatically as soon as any new law is implemented (used Mini 14's went from about $200 to over $600 almost overnight, and the 20 and 30 round magazines went from less than $20 to over $100), so putting off the establishment of "fair market value" for a year or two could easily double or triple the government's original planned valuation.
I consider it far more likely that any new ban would contain a grandfathering clause on products existing prior to the enactment of the legislation, perhaps with registration requirements (possibly adding certain firearms to the NFA categories), ownership and/or transfer taxes, etc.
I don't know how to convey this without revealing it's source: I've heard Hillary say that weapons of war should not be permitted on our streets. Thank you, madam secretary, for your opinion. However, either you're a liar or stupid. No country of which I'm aware uses semiauto weapons for war.
Lobo,
Just compensation does not apply to our rights, for there is no compensation of any value for stealing our rights.
The ONLY LEGAL WAY of infringing upon our Second Amendment is via Article V. Scurrilous politicians know that they'll never be able to amend our Second Amendment. So they have accorded with impunity to corrupt courts to illegally infringe upon our Second Amendment RIGHT.
No reasoning or rationale of any court to infringe upon our RIGHT to keep and bear arms can withstand our RIGHT vis-a-vis the United States Constitution. So judges and justices make up illusory intellectual gobbledygook to dupe us in to believing that they have legal authority to usurp Article V of the United States Constitution.
Federal judges and justices are appointed for life. They are not accountable to We, the People. Therefore, we must apply pressure on our elected representatives to impeach activist judges and justices. There was a reason Thomas Jefferson did not trust judges and justices with lifetime appointments.
Many years ago, I read an article authored by an attorney who wrote in essence, that it's not what's taught it law schools that's inimical to our liberties, it's that lawyers believe it.
Just compensation does not apply to our rights, for there is no compensation of any value for stealing our rights.
The ONLY LEGAL WAY of infringing upon our Second Amendment is via Article V. Scurrilous politicians know that they'll never be able to amend our Second Amendment. So they have accorded with impunity to corrupt courts to illegally infringe upon our Second Amendment RIGHT.
No reasoning or rationale of any court to infringe upon our RIGHT to keep and bear arms can withstand our RIGHT vis-a-vis the United States Constitution. So judges and justices make up illusory intellectual gobbledygook to dupe us in to believing that they have legal authority to usurp Article V of the United States Constitution.
Federal judges and justices are appointed for life. They are not accountable to We, the People. Therefore, we must apply pressure on our elected representatives to impeach activist judges and justices. There was a reason Thomas Jefferson did not trust judges and justices with lifetime appointments.
Many years ago, I read an article authored by an attorney who wrote in essence, that it's not what's taught it law schools that's inimical to our liberties, it's that lawyers believe it.
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Jim Mayberry
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The weapons already owned will be grandfathered in and prices would increase for those not caught in the ban. I cannot see confiscation taking place. There would be thousands not turned in by good honest people who just refuse to give up their property to a corrupt government. I would not want to be the cop going door to door asking for personal weapons of any type. A fellow could get shot doing that, especially if you are wearing swat clothing.
People say that those already in private hands would be grandfathered.
Did full autos get grandfathered.
Are guns with serial numbers that were altered prior to 1968 grandfathered?
Did the people who owned these guns get compensated?
I am betting NO.
Even if they did compensate you all they would have to say is something that can not be sold has no value.
I love and believe in the second amendment, but, the word infringed has been beat to death already. It is not going to rise up and stop them at this point.
Did full autos get grandfathered.
Are guns with serial numbers that were altered prior to 1968 grandfathered?
Did the people who owned these guns get compensated?
I am betting NO.
Even if they did compensate you all they would have to say is something that can not be sold has no value.
I love and believe in the second amendment, but, the word infringed has been beat to death already. It is not going to rise up and stop them at this point.
If you follow the history and enactment of the NFA, full autos actually did get grandfathered after a fashion, a couple of times. And guns with altered serial numbers have always been illegal. I know you think otherwise about that latter issue, but if a gun had a serial number prior to 1968, and it was altered or obliterated, it was illegal.
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LoboGunLeather
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NFA did grandfather existing firearms, with a registration requirement. There have been several amnesty periods over the years allowing unregistered NFA firearms to be registered without penalty.
The major point I was trying to convey in my earlier post is that there are legal remedies to be pursued that would make it far more difficult and far more expensive for the government to implement such laws. Properly organized and coordinated, we could tie everything up in the courts for years, allowing additional time to settle the constitutional issues before the government could implement their new laws.
The major point I was trying to convey in my earlier post is that there are legal remedies to be pursued that would make it far more difficult and far more expensive for the government to implement such laws. Properly organized and coordinated, we could tie everything up in the courts for years, allowing additional time to settle the constitutional issues before the government could implement their new laws.
I am not waiting, I have one colt coming in today and will be back on Bud's putting another order for a 6920. You just cannot have enough of these guns when the time comes, and should I out live the end then my heirs can deal with the issue.........pretty much shoot what I have so these will not be in pristine condition for the heirs to profit off of.
Old TexMex
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As a man who lived through a government "buy back", let me give my real experience: Politicians, media and "community leaders", school teachers and even hunters and sports personalities were part of a national effort to convey the idea that "guns kill people".
Then the announcement of a purchase by government of privately owned firearms (almost exclusively long guns, as handguns were already very restricted) was put into action. Under legal threat, peer pressure, urging of children and general media brainwash, the piles of shotguns and rifles appeared in the major news media being crushed.
This was all precipitated by a deranged young man, under psychiatric treatment and using psychotropics, ambushed and killed many people in Tasmania. It was later verified that the rifle he used was obtained through a Victoria State Police buy back stockpile.
Victoria, a more progressive state than either W.A. or Queensland, had enacted their own buy back before the Federal scheme (and was therefore directly related to the massacre resulting in the confiscation and extreme tightening of licensing for firearms).
Coincidence? Perhaps.....
Then the announcement of a purchase by government of privately owned firearms (almost exclusively long guns, as handguns were already very restricted) was put into action. Under legal threat, peer pressure, urging of children and general media brainwash, the piles of shotguns and rifles appeared in the major news media being crushed.
This was all precipitated by a deranged young man, under psychiatric treatment and using psychotropics, ambushed and killed many people in Tasmania. It was later verified that the rifle he used was obtained through a Victoria State Police buy back stockpile.
Victoria, a more progressive state than either W.A. or Queensland, had enacted their own buy back before the Federal scheme (and was therefore directly related to the massacre resulting in the confiscation and extreme tightening of licensing for firearms).
Coincidence? Perhaps.....
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Kronos
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I think what's going to be interesting this time around is how the states react to this,remember we have a bunch of them going for constitutional carry so any given state can tell the .Gov to flip off and die.
What I've always suspected is we as a country will "balkinize" in certain ways i.e. in some states guns will just vanish and the 2nd won't mean squat CA,IL,NY,MA and the like will be the ones as the majority voters in large cities have sway.
I'm all for it,they want it give it to them,put up border crossings and search everybody coming in and see how that works.
Every culture is different and if you disarmed the US it won't be like the UK and murder,even mass murder will continue just get more ugly.
What I've always suspected is we as a country will "balkinize" in certain ways i.e. in some states guns will just vanish and the 2nd won't mean squat CA,IL,NY,MA and the like will be the ones as the majority voters in large cities have sway.
I'm all for it,they want it give it to them,put up border crossings and search everybody coming in and see how that works.
Every culture is different and if you disarmed the US it won't be like the UK and murder,even mass murder will continue just get more ugly.
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Bans do nothing but affect legal owners.
Hey, its the government trust them and the courts to do the right thing. I am sure the politicians and the courts could never be swayed by a political agenda.
Yes, your AR could be grandfathered in all you might have to do is pay $3,538 licensing fee. The $3,538 is the modern day equivalent to the $200 fee one needed to pay in 1934 to keep a full auto you had already bought and paid for. How many people do you think ponied up the $200 in 1934 and how many would be able to do it now at $3,538? Sure those with money probably did, Joe working guy doubtful. If they can say $200, they can say $3,538 OR MORE.
Yes, your AR could be grandfathered in all you might have to do is pay $3,538 licensing fee. The $3,538 is the modern day equivalent to the $200 fee one needed to pay in 1934 to keep a full auto you had already bought and paid for. How many people do you think ponied up the $200 in 1934 and how many would be able to do it now at $3,538? Sure those with money probably did, Joe working guy doubtful. If they can say $200, they can say $3,538 OR MORE.
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Foot in the door. There is so much I have thought to say but it would be pages and pages on gun registration, universal background checks, bans, taxes, ammo bans or taxes and on and on. While I doubt there would be a confiscation program I rule nothing out for the antis once they get the foot in the door.
And for those of you who defy a turn in order that is upheld by our shifting courts, where you gonna shoot it? Bring it out or even use it in a lawful self defense situation and boom...you are a felon for merely owning it. And then you become a prohibited person and can't even possess that single shot .22 that is still legal.
My crystal ball is on the blink so your guess is as good as mine.
And for those of you who defy a turn in order that is upheld by our shifting courts, where you gonna shoot it? Bring it out or even use it in a lawful self defense situation and boom...you are a felon for merely owning it. And then you become a prohibited person and can't even possess that single shot .22 that is still legal.
My crystal ball is on the blink so your guess is as good as mine.
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