Any one seen U.S. made P210?

[Gamecock]

Sig showed U.S. made P210s at SHOT Show in January, having moved production from Germany to Exeter, NH. They said they'd be available by June.

It's June. I can't find them anywhere.

Anybody heard or seen anything?

 

[loeman]

I didn't realize they would be making them in the US. It will sure be interesting to learn what they are like and what the price will be. I hope someone can shed some light on your question.

 

[Gamecock]

Supposed to cut MSRP in half, too!

 

[Joni_Lynn]

I've been wondering when that would happen myself.

 

[rburg]

My understanding of the problem is that the US Government, in all their wisdom, have banned the european manufactured gun from SIG. It relates to the ban of some commie country in south America, and SIG ignored it and sold to their police forces anyway. That called our bluff and we just banned the nice guns coming in. The SIG firearms you buy today are either manufactured here or someplace not banned.

As for the American made 210s, they may be cheaper but I'll bet the quality just isn't there. Sure, you handled a selected example and it maybe looked as good as the West German ones (but probably not the equal of my Swiss ones). A lot of companies can produce a slick looking gun. But the P210s have a great reputation. Only time will tell if that same quality will be built in on ones slopped together here. Time will tell.

 

[WVSig]

Who knows when they will actually appear. They announced it because Germany imposed a ban on exporting German Sigs to the US. As a result all the Mastershop, X guns and P210s were cut off from importation.

At this point is it just another example of Sig Vaporware. I also would not buy one for at least a year after their introduction. I have watched too many Sig rollouts of "new" product even if its an older design to be a beta tester. YMMV

 

[WVSig]

My understanding of the problem is that the US Government, in all their wisdom, have banned the european manufactured gun from SIG. It relates to the ban of some commie country in south America, and SIG ignored it and sold to their police forces anyway. That called our bluff and we just banned the nice guns coming in. The SIG firearms you buy today are either manufactured here or someplace not banned.

As for the American made 210s, they may be cheaper but I'll bet the quality just isn't there. Sure, you handled a selected example and it maybe looked as good as the West German ones (but probably not the equal of my Swisshttp://smith-wessonforum.com/images/blue_style/editor/quote.gif ones). A lot of companies can produce a slick looking gun. But the P210s have a great reputation. Only time will tell if that same quality will be built in on ones slopped together here. Time will tell.

It is not the US it is Germany who banned importation of German Sigs.

'Export ban' for arms maker SIG Sauer over Colombia guns - BBC News

Germany has imposed an export ban on arms maker SIG Sauer after guns manufactured by the German company were found to have been sold to the Colombian police, German media report.

 

[bc1023]

Not something I'd buy, but I want to handle one to see how Exeter screws up a classic pistol. It's a shame to cheapen one of the finest pistols in history, but that's par for the course. I don't like a thing about USA built Sigs. I'll never own one.

 

[Joni_Lynn]

I've owned a lot of Sigs, mostly American made ones but also some imports. Most of them failed to capture my attention and were put up for adoption. My X5 went bye bye when my 952-1 out shot it at the range. My 225 is next to go.
I do want to handle a new 210 as well as hear what other people say about them.

 

[Gamecock]

The story, as I heard it, was that Exeter was complicit in the shipment of pistols to Colombia. Germany banned export to Colombia. Somehow, Sig thought that if the drop shipped them thru Exeter, they could get around it. Germany was not amused, and banned export altogether.

The ironing is that they didn't ban export of the whole damn factory. And the jobs.

I'm surprised to hear people here bash American quality. My expectation is that the U.S. made guns will be excellent. At half the price. And available. Some day.

 

[muzzleblast]

I'll buy one when they come out. Might even sell off one of my Bangor Punta vintage S&Ws to appease the wife. I'll probably put it into the safe, next to one of my Mikoru made Browning A-5s, or the Olin Kodensha made Winchester 101, or, maybe even next to a real West German SIG Sauer.

 

[bc1023]

I'm surprised to hear people here bash American quality. My expectation is that the U.S. made guns will be excellent. At half the price. And available. Some day.

I have a ton of quality American handguns. I don't like Euro guns built in America, especially Exeter Sigs.

Good luck with the watered down P210. Exeter has never built anything close to the quality level of an older Swiss P210 or even a German Legend. Not sure how they plan to pull it off now other than a much more cheaply made gun riding a legendary name. No thanks

 

[Gamecock]

I have a ton of quality American handguns. I don't like Euro guns built in America, especially Exeter Sigs.

Good luck with the watered down P210. Exeter has never built anything close to the quality level of an older Swiss P210 or even a German Legend. Not sure how they plan to pull it off now other than a much more cheaply made gun riding a legendary name. No thanks

I hope you are wrong. Time will tell.

 

[Gamecock]

BTW . . . I have Sigs P238, P938, and C3. I like them all. A lot.

 

[bc1023]

BTW . . . I have Sigs P238, P938, and C3. I like them all. A lot.

I've got a ton of Sigs, but all German and Swiss. I'm not saying that Exeter doesn't build solid guns. I'm saying they never built a high end pistol like the P210 or X Series. I have my doubts that they're capable of that kind of quality.

There's a huge difference between a P938 or C3 and a Swiss or German P210.

 

[Redcoat3340]

I'm a bit unschooled on these things, but does anyone in the US, except perhaps a custom maker, build a pistol like the old Swiss or German 210s? I doubt they were CNC milled back then and instead were hand fitted one at a time by "old world craftsmen" as opposed to modern higher volume manufacturing techniques.

My 226 and P6 are both German made, but my 229, 320, and 2022 are all US made and I find nothing wrong with them, even in comparison to the German made (but newer than 210s) pistols.

It's pointless, I suspect, to compare polymer pistols, like an M&P or Shield, to the classic Smith 39-2, 3913 or even 5906....they are just such different beasts.

And I guess I'd be interested in hearing how newer, US made Sigs compare with similar US made pistols....say Ruger, Colt, or S&W....would that be a truer comparison, no?

 

[rck281]

SIG told me that they will start shipping in September. I understand that they are revising the design to lock into the ejection port as typical of other SIG pistols. Even if the quality is excellent, they won't be the same. I guess SIG figures the buyers won't notice the difference.

 

[bc1023]

SIG told me that they will start shipping in September. I understand that they are revising the design to lock into the ejection port as typical of other SIG pistols. Even if the quality is excellent, they won't be the same. I guess SIG figures the buyers won't notice the difference.

Yes, they changed the design to make it cheaper to produce. I'll also be amazed if the build quality if half as nice as older P210's. It's going to be a cheaper gun all around. They're making a production gun out of it. What a shame.

One of mine is an old forged frame -6 kit from 1967, complete with the 30 Luger barrel and the entire rimfire upper assembly. Impeccable build quality. I've got many P210's, but that's my finest.

 

[Andyd]

The Swiss-made SIG and Hämmerli pistols were always known for great quality and very high standard of quality control. I have been to the SIG Sauer plant in Eckernförde and saw how the X-series pistols were assembled, fitted and inspected. Nevertheless, I was told by someone there, that they had a return rate for warranty repair that he found too high.

Even if the production shortcut of changing the locking lugs were not to have a negative impact on accuracy, the new price level shows clearly that these American made guns are aimed at a different and far less demanding clientele, particularly when you keep in mind that production and labour costs in the U.S. are only about three quarters of the cost of Germany.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/ichcc.pdf

In the end the old adage "You get what you pay for" is still undefeated. There is a reason why Hämmerli, SIG Neuhausen and Korth Ratzeburg closed shop. I had the chance to closely inspect a Korth National Standard lately and wasn't $3,000-impressed.

 

[bc1023]

I agree Andy. I've always disliked Sig Exeter, but it's a damn shame to see them alter and cheapen the P210. I can't fault Sig in trying to make a buck, but at the expense of this pistol's legacy? Terrible.

Quality is going to be just like their other stuff in the same price range, like the Legion, not real impressive. How sad.

Of course, the target audience likely won't know the difference.