FBI selects new pistol to go with its 9mm ammo

[shawn mccarver]

I'm glad my 220 and I could finish out our time together.

I am also very glad, and thankful, for that! Congratulations on your service, and thank you for all you did to keep us safe. May you enjoy your hard-earned retirement!

Best,

Shawn

 

[Arik]

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The problem isn't that the FBI went with glocks, it's that they are forcing their agents to take them. You should be able to choose the gun that best suits you, after all it's your life on the line.

Not all FBI agents are gun people. Not all military people are gun people. So now you are partnered with a guy who thinks a 38 Derringer is good because it fits his hand and it goes bang. You want to go into a dangerous situation with him? Or maybe he likes some obscure weird gun with anemic ammo. Would you be ok with a partner that carries a Nagant revolver in 7.62x38? Poor sight, poor ammo, 15# trigger pull and 5 min to reload. But it balances well.

If it's your life on the line learn to use your gear. Practice. Practice practice then practice more and more. I bet if you practiced more with your Glock you'd be as good as your friend. Most people don't practice enough

The FBI didn't force you to join. You joined so you get used to what you're given.

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[Naphtali]

So the FBI chose the Glock 9mm. It's a fine piece with a proven track record. Do I own one? No, as I've mentioned before, my issue isn't with the product, it's with Gaston. A despicable human being IMHO. Getting back to the original subject at hand. When was the last time anyone here based their next purchase on what the FBI or and other government entity does? I buy & carry what I like, what suits me.

Why is Mr. Glock a problem?

 

[Florida J Frame]

Another issue is the new GD ammo they have chosen is getting lack luster reviews.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Why is Mr. Glock a problem?

I suspect some people looked askance at Gaston dumping his wife at 82 and marrying his 31 year old nurse. There are also some allegations of racketeering and money laundering in the ex-wife's lawsuit against Gaston, attempting to force him to return "her part" of the company . . .

 

[grcoffman104]

Another issue is the new GD ammo they have chosen is getting lack luster reviews.

I missed that one. Details?

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[Tradester]

FBI Switch to 9mm

For my entire 23 year career in law enforcement I carried a GLOCK, first a Model 17 with a Model 26 for back up and the later a Model 22 with a Model 27 for back up. I stood on quarterly training firing lines for those 23 years and never had a FTF or FTE issue. In fact most of the alibi rounds I saw fired on either side of me were user error issues.

We never lost an officer to a gun fight and never had a failure to stop an armed encounter due to weapons failure. I relied on my GLOCK and never had any doubt it would preform if and when needed. No hearsay here either, just 23 years on the road in patrol.

Why is the FBI switching to 9mm. I thought that they went to 40 S&W after being outgunned in the 1986 Miami shootout.

 

[Absalom]

Why is the FBI switching to 9mm. I thought that they went to 40 S&W after being outgunned in the 1986 Miami shootout.

That was 30 years ago. Bullet and load design have come a ways since then, significantly reducing any advantage in terminal ballistics of the .40. Besides, the whole Miami focus was on one freaky 9mm hit that didn't penetrate quite as far as it would have needed to in order to end the fight, mostly due to the odd bullet path; it was never a very good basis for wholesale changes to begin with.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Another issue is the new GD ammo they have chosen is getting lack luster reviews.

From what I've read the poor results came from the 1st generation of the G2 ammo. Apparently the 2nd generation of the ammo is better, but I haven't read anything to confirm that.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Why is the FBI switching to 9mm. I thought that they went to 40 S&W after being outgunned in the 1986 Miami shootout.

The FBI did a study and found that with modern JHP there was little difference among the service calibers, so they went with 9mm for a combination of reasons: quicker follow up shots, lower costs, etc. I can't recall if longer service life was a factor with the FBI, but other agencies switching from .40 to 9mm have mentioned the extra wear-and-tear on .40 guns as a factor for them.

If I can find the report, I'll post a link.

Update: Found the link to an article summarizing the results. There's also a link within the article to the original documentation.

https://looserounds.com/2014/09/21/fbi-9mm-justification-fbi-training-division/

 

[Florida J Frame]

Here's on of the tests on the G2 [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeVtwmHeRZQ[/ame]

 

[apollo99]

Muss Muggins do you have any pictures to back up those claims, I'm not doubting you I just want to see the 31 year old nurse.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Muss Muggins do you have any pictures to back up those claims, I'm not doubting you I just want to see the 31 year old nurse.

Here's both. You decide which is which . . .

 

[grcoffman104]

Here's both. You decide which is which . . .

Having been married to 3 nurses over 30 years I should not judge or offer comment.

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[Dennis The B]

Why is the FBI switching to 9mm. I thought that they went to 40 S&W after being outgunned in the 1986 Miami shootout.

The suspect ammo, I believe was the Winchester 115gr STHP. The true performance was somewhat less than advertised.

That written, 9mm ammo has come light years since. I'm still a fan of .45 Auto, but I also carry a LWT Commander in 9mm, as well as my favorite, the Super .38.

PS - The original solution was the 10mm. S&W "down sized" the 10mm to the .40 S&W. There were too many complaints from agents about recoil, gun fit, etc.

 

[Brasky]

Bout time! Glock 20 without finger grooves would be awesome

 

[Texas Star]

Having been married to 3 nurses over 30 years I should not judge or offer comment.

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I hope they were easier to get along with than Linda, the nurse wife of Danny on, Blue Bloods. That woman bugs me!

I was in the hospital last year for pneumonia. There were a number of nurses, but only one hot one and she was also the nicest and most nurturing. Yes, I have photos, but no permission to post them. Most nurses I've known were pretty abrasive. Maybe Glock found a good one, who really nurtures him.

A caring nurse at his age is probably a good thing for old Glock. Look at Hugh Hefner: He married a woman still not 30 (he's 90) and he got a deejay-singer. But they seem to get along great, and he even bought a five million dollar house for her and her mom to live in after he dies. And they love the same dog. A couple should have some things in common.
These two both majored in psychology and they like that weird dog. I think that, for him, this third wife is the best yet, in several ways.

I don't know Gaston Glock, his ex-wife, or the new nurse-wife. It may not be all about getting a younger woman.

But Glock's marriage issues probably don't affect his low bids on police and military contracts. How can he do that?

And I do feel that a Glock has a higher potential for AD's than most other guns. Most AD's that I've read about in recent years have involved Glocks. I prefer a visible hammer and a conventional DA/SA trigger system.

 

[Donn]

Why is Mr. Glock a problem?

1) Leaving his wife and family to twist in the wind while he took up with his "nurse." And, 2) He's on record more than once saying he believes his pistols should only be available to police and the military. Meanwhile, he's making money by the truckload selling to people like us. Well, like others, not me.

 

[Mainsail]

Not all FBI agents are gun people. Not all military people are gun people. So now you are partnered with a guy who thinks a 38 Derringer is good because it fits his hand and it goes bang. You want to go into a dangerous situation with him? Or maybe he likes some obscure weird gun with anemic ammo. Would you be ok with a partner that carries a Nagant revolver in 7.62x38? Poor sight, poor ammo, 15# trigger pull and 5 min to reload. But it balances well.

If it's your life on the line learn to use your gear. Practice. Practice practice then practice more and more. I bet if you practiced more with your Glock you'd be as good as your friend. Most people don't practice enough

The FBI didn't force you to join. You joined so you get used to what you're given.

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Are you for real?

Does everything in your life need to be one extreme or the other?

How about glock and Sig, or glock and Smith, or glock and springfield, or glock, sig, and springfield? I have to ask, have you been drinking tonight?

 

[ispcapt]

PS - The original solution was the 10mm. S&W "down sized" the 10mm to the .40 S&W. There were too many complaints from agents about recoil, gun fit, etc.

Actually - no. That's an internet rumor perpetuated by those who don't know the facts. The fact is the 10 mm full power load was not issued by the FBI but for their subguns. The duty gun, 1076, loading always was the 10 mm Lite loading. That loading was selected a year before the bid even went out to select a duty gun. When the FBI was doing their testing they set their desired standards. The 10mm Lite loading met those standards. There was no need for the full power 10mm loading as it far exceeded the max penetration level they had set as standard. It had nothing at all to do with 'recoil' and SAs not being able to handle it. Pure bunk.