Mass AG drops the bomb

[TTSH]

If it is the second, then that is a huge problem. The AG shouldn't be able to create new law out of thin air.

It is the latter... and yes, she shouldn't be able to redefine an existing law to mean what she wants it to mean so as to fit her anti-2A agenda. But that's exactly what she has done.

And in Massachusetts, she just might be able to get away with it.

 

[TTSH]

To the unfortunate residents of Mass. ...is your Governor utterly without any stones??...what about your elected legislators which she has just given the one finger salute??......elections have consequences

Our very low profile "go-along-to-get-along" governor doesn't want to get involved. He punted and will continue to punt. He is not a gun guy and just wishes this had never come up.

The legislature is another matter. As I mentioned before, it all depends on whether or not she did this crazy thing with the approval of her party leaders or did this entirely on her own. If the former, there is some chance that she will be rebuffed. If the latter, we are totally out of luck.

 

[weatherby]

I'm there too....

Same here .....We will be noticed

 

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

I hate to sound defeatist, but...

I don't see the Gov or the Legislature standing up to the AG and saying your wrong and drop it. I see it as of Wednesday banning all AR's and AK's going forward (and potentially all semi-automatic rifles shotguns and handguns), the AR and AK platforms I think are a done deal.
What I think the best we can pray for is a backdoor (can't spell pieric) "victory" that we can take "felony" off the table for people who bought the guns legally under the laws as there were interpreted and enforced at the time of purchase.

I fear we will be told in a few months, you have 30-60 days to get rid of them or face jail. What I am hearing is they may use our being labeled felons to declare you an unsuitable person. I think that would be extreme but in this state who knows.

 

[les.b]

Again.... These are all reasons to ensure that we go forward with a conservative SCOTUS..... There will be appeals to this and other unconstitutional restrictions on our RIGHTS and if we have a good SCOTUS, some of these extremist rulings and legislation may be overturned, building on the Heller and McDonald rulings..... Frankly, I think that that is the only hope for those marooned in utopian workers paradises like Massachusetts, California and the like. These states are so out of touch with the more than 80% of the states that are making strides to improve shooters lives, that this is probably the only recourse...

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Best Regards, Les

 

[ladder13]

Let's not forget we live in lawless times, those in power believe they can just decree new rules and regulations.
If she gets away with this I see it spreading to at least a few of the usual states, and possibly beyond sooner or later.
We need to nip this in the bud and be forever vigilant, we have brothers in arms in all 50 states, and unfortunately tyrants waiting in the wings.

 

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

Les
I cannot go any higher in the NRA being a Benefactor Member now.

 

[les.b]

Ben, I'm sort of in the same boat. I'm a Benefactor also, and a couple of years ago I bought my oldest boy a life membership, and this year I think I'm going to buy the other son a life membership. Then I can start on the grandkids. At the very least, they get an excellent magazine for the rest of their lives!!!

It's ironic that one of my greatest experiences happened there in Massachusetts at the Smith and Wesson factory back in 1977. It was my great privilege to attend the factory Armorers School, and also a Firearms Instructors school. I got to spend time on the floor there, seeing the big forges at work and the machining, blueing and fitting, and everything else. I would not trade those wonderful memories for anything. And now to see what is happening in your great state is heartbreaking for a lover of liberty and of fine firearms...

Good for you, though, I can tell from your posts that you are vigilant and activist, and keeping an eye on those who are threatening our God given Liberties.

Best Regards, Les

 

[TTSH]

Let's not forget we live in lawless times, those in power believe they can just decree new rules and regulations.
If she gets away with this I see it spreading to at least a few of the usual states, and possibly beyond sooner or later.
We need to nip this in the bud and be forever vigilant, we have brothers in arms in all 50 states, and unfortunately tyrants waiting in the wings.

Correct. If this stands, it has dangerous implications well beyond Massachusetts' borders.

And in a related story... I see that one major, well-known supplier of AR PARTS has decided that this decree means no more shipping of anything, parts or otherwise, to moonbat Massachusetts.

The AG's threats and decrees travel fast.

 

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

See Massachusetts, See the US if someone is elected. We need to vigilant about our gun rights at all times. Here in MASS they have been doing it at the town level, but now we get hit with this...

I have been trying to load some 45-70 but been totally tied up with this stuff for 2 days now.

 

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

Correct. If this stands, it has dangerous implications well beyond Massachusetts' borders.

And in a related story... I see that one major, well-known supplier of AR PARTS has decided that this decree means no more shipping of anything, parts or otherwise, to moonbat Massachusetts.

The AG's threats and decrees travel fast.

Many gun stores such as FS are refusing to sell Semi rifles of anytype until they get a ruling

 

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

Isn't it nice to live in the 'Land of the Free and Brave'.....

Yes that state that freedom started in

 

[nocents]

don't know if what I read is true but one quote from a Mass. gun store owner said that on average that 20% of sales for most shop owners are attributed to AR rifles and the like.....now if this plays out to include semi auto handguns and shotguns and accessories for the same.....how can they stay in business?......answer is that "Big Bobs Gun and Tackle" down the street won't.......if this fails the next logical step will be to tax boxed ammo, powder,primers, cases,and bullets to the point where the average citizen will not be able to afford them

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

AR manufacturers in Massachusetts got to be at least a little concerned that they'll be the next focus.

 

[lrrifleman]

I think what may save some people is that the Mass AG is making the law she based her actions on is now an ex post facto law, which is explicitly a violation of federal law. I must admit, I am grasping through the fog of my concussion for facts I use to teach as a US History teacher.

 

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

That would depend entirely on usage frequency. I load for hunting do a box of pills, primers and propellant lasts me quite a while.

The whole scenario is still an affront on your rights as an American Citizen.

I have enough ammo and commonents to last a life time for an average person, doesn't matter, if new people can't come into the hobby it will die and you won't be able to shoot anywhere unless you own alot of property

 

[TTSH]

don't know if what I read is true but one quote from a Mass. gun store owner said that on average that 20% of sales for most shop owners are attributed to AR rifles and the like.....now if this plays out to include semi auto handguns and shotguns and accessories for the same.....how can they stay in business?......answer is that "Big Bobs Gun and Tackle" down the street won't.

If this holds up, many of our shops won't survive. Some say that was her principle target with this surprise decree all along since she did not say she is going after us "Felons in Waiting" who have the suddenly illegal guns in our possession... at least not yet.

Remember that she has far more clout and enforcement influence over dealers than she does Mr. or Mrs. Joe Public. Kill off the in-state dealers... and scare the Hell out of the foreign dealers... and what can Joe Public living in MA do? Not much.

Some MA dealers are a lot more affected by the loss of semi-auto rifle sales than others. Off the top of my head, I'd say roughly a third of dealers are highly dependent on semi-auto rifle sales. They will likely not survive if this holds unless they can get into components, parts and repairs in a very big way. That would probably be pretty tough.

The dealers who are mainly into handguns and traditional hunting rifles, or who are otherwise heavily diversified, will be hurt but will likely stay afloat. The biggest of the big will survive. It's the small guys who will get crushed.

 

[TTSH]

I think what may save some people is that the Mass AG is making the law she based her actions on is now an ex post facto law, which is explicitly a violation of federal law.

She would answer you as follows: {Start of guidance} This is not a brand new law. Rather, it is correcting (in her mind) the intent, incorrect interpretation, incorrect implementation and incorrect enforcement of a very old law. We buyers and owners of the guns should have known all along that the guns were illegal even though everybody in the state and in the country understood that they were legal, including the courts. But now we have seen the light and we must fix that big, big mistake. For the time being, we will let you peons keep your illegal guns but you certainly can't buy any more. In time, I will decide what you peons will have to do with your illegal guns if you don't want to go to prison. {End of guidance}

 

[TTSH]

AR manufacturers in Massachusetts got to be at least a little concerned that they'll be the next focus.

Haven't heard a word out of them yet. I'm sure their lawyers are looking at the AG's decree as we speak.

 

[les.b]

One of the main reasons I built and maintain my own private range. You can shoot pistols and long guns and it's private so no one shoots without my express permission.... But then I reside in a firearm friendly state (at least for now). I own alot of property, I farm.

Don't take that much square footage. the corridor is long (300 yards+ to the backstop, but the width is only 12 feet. That allows 2 shooting lanes on one custom built bench, side by side with a roof overhead. I used 2-4x12 sheets of 3/8" high strength alloy steel tacked together with 3 feet of excavated clay in front of that retained by railroad ties. Nothing gets past the steel. I shot the backstop at 50 yards with my 50 cal Barrett and the pill didn't even put a dent in the steel.

I shot at a public range for years, with all the distractions of rude people, Now, I have no distractions and no rude people.

Back on subject... I would assume Bloomberg and 'Everytown' is in the background in Mass, they have been in Lansing (the state capitol of my state), trying to make inroads in Michigan gun laws... without much success I might add. Michigan people hunt and Michigan people are firearm friendly and that includes the governor, glad of that.

Flipmeister:

I hear you. I don't have a lot of land, but I have 50 acres, and I have my own place to shoot. Don't worry about noise, because not that much carries anyway, and all of my neighbors have their own ranges too, and as far as I can tell, probably shoot more than I do. My kids have a place to shoot, and the grand kids will too, as they grow. Friends are welcome to shoot, but I request that they coordinate with me, as I do value my privacy.

Mr. Bloomberg spent heavily here in WV as well, (per capita), and wasted his money. He was particularly adamant that we not have "constitutional carry", but it passed, and the Governor vetoed it, although he is usually pro gun... And the legislature overrode the veto and it is now law. Plus a lot of other pro gun laws have been enacted in the last few years, even with all of the anti gun types putting up more money than the pro gun types have to spend!!

Congratulations there in Michigan, hope that you guys can keep the bad guys at bay. It requires constant vigilance, but money is not always the answer. If it were we would all be sunk, because we don't have a sugar daddy like Mr. Bloomberg to fund our cause.

Best Regards, Les