Home defense

[Lee's Landing Billy]

Wow. Our house has 13 rooms. To use your method, I'd need 14 Glocks. One for each room plus 2 in the MBR.

That's a lot of Glocks.

I think it's easier to carry one gun in my pocket during the day. TAnd perhaps another larger one in a quick access safe.[/QUOTTo To borrow a quote...We all have to seek our own salvation..My home is not as big as yours so I only have 11 Glocks in the house. Four vehicles with one in each. I wish you much success with your plan...Carry every step, shoot every day!

 

[JCFindley]

My impression of the show was that there was at least some sort of physical confrontation before he was stabbed.

I doubt that the deceased had a lot of expertise or experience using a bat as a weapon, and the results showed it. If I had to guess, I'll bet that he took a swing at the intruder who ducked and stabbed him.

Assuming reasonable situational awareness, it's ALWAYS going to be easier to pull a trigger than swing a bat. In order to use the bat, you have to AT LEAST get to within the length of the bat minus 2-3 inches from your assailant. The firearm has no such limitations, nor is the recovery time between engagements anywhere similar.

All very valid points.

Another being that the intruder may well have a gun.

I live in a townhouse with fairly narrow stairs leading to the bedrooms. I couldn't effectively wield a baseball bat even if I wanted to. A hammer would be a better choice in close quarters than a bat if one had to go with improvised weapons.

I lived in NYC for a couple years where it was illegal to even have a pistol without the proper licensing and that was impractical and expensive to obtain. There you were limited to what you could have legally. (Or at least I limited myself to legal means.) My home kit there was a Streamlight strobe flashlight and an Emerson Karambit. Even today I work on a military installation where we cannot carry firearms so my daily carry is two Emersons and that flashlight.

 

[Mister X]

People who enter occupied dwellings tend not to share that attitude. In fact, some of them (like Hays and Komissarjevsky) positively ENJOY killing people over their property and money... and just for the "fun" of it.

Anybody who enters my home KNOWING (or reasonably suspecting) that I'm there is a THREAT, a threat which needs to be neutralized.

In Ohio, I'm not going to prison for shooting somebody who when told to leave, after forcibly entering my home, makes himself an immediate and credible threat to life and limb. I have the rebuttable presumption of justification.

NO plan I will EVER have will EVER be premised on the rationality, common sense or basic decency of somebody who enters my home without my permission, where there's a reasonable likelihood that I'm home. Such a person is almost invariably at least open to the possibility of doing me harm. I'm not letting ANYBODY do me harm.

I will do everything in my power to prevent anyone from harming me and my family. That doesn't mean lethal force is the solution to every home defense solution. One size does not fit all and you have to respond to the scenario at hand appropriately based on it's unique specific dynamics.

Deadly force should always be the last resort for ethical and legal reasons and remember that it's pretty difficult to protect your family if you're in prison. Most home defense scenarios are not home invasions by violent armed intruders. Many times petty thieves break into an occupied resident unaware someone is home or the homeowner returns while the crime is in progress. Such incidents could turn into violent confrontations requiring an armed response, but if you have a choice to avoid it becoming such without compromising protecting yourself and your family, it's by far the most sensible option to do so.

I've also seen several cases where developmentally disabled individuals sometimes became confused and wandered into the wrong house. Many wouldn't likely respond to commands to leave, but I would hope the vast majority of armed homeowners would use some personal restraint, discretion and common sense in dealing with such cases rather than immediately open fire.

A very measured and rationale perspective from Rob Pincus...

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9IVUBpnGO3M[/ame]

 

[Brasky]

Depends on your situation and where you live. My night stand gun is the same gun I carry every day (Glock 23). No need to wake up drowsy and handle a firearm I don't carry every day and fumble with safeties, etc. I voted carbine as that is what I would head to if the threat was something my Glock can't handle

 

[cmort666]

I lived in NYC for a couple years where it was illegal to even have a pistol without the proper licensing and that was impractical and expensive to obtain. There you were limited to what you could have legally. (Or at least I limited myself to legal means.) My home kit there was a Streamlight strobe flashlight and an Emerson Karambit. Even today I work on a military installation where we cannot carry firearms so my daily carry is two Emersons and that flashlight.

NYC has never been on my list of a place to live or work. My best friend from college spent a year or two there working for Micro$oft. He hated it. I'm never again living some place where the city motto is, "We don't have to protect you and we won't let you protect yourself."

Ironically, while there's strict preemption of firearms law in Ohio, every little burg can make their own knife laws, to the point where it's just not worth it for me to carry one, at least where I don't need it for work.

 

[Gulfecho]

I have a Governor that I would reach for first. Then move to the 870 if I had the time.

 

[cmort666]

I will do everything in my power to prevent anyone from harming me and my family. That doesn't mean lethal force is the solution to every home defense solution. One size does not fit all and you have to respond to the scenario at hand appropriately based on it's unique specific dynamics.

It's hard to imagine a situation where somebody KNOWINGLY forces his way into my home that won't involve deadly force on SOMEBODY'S part.

If I find you in my home, and if AT GUNPOINT I tell you to get out and you DON'T, you're not there to play backgammon.

I'm not playing footsie with people who force their way into occupied dwellings.

 

[fatcat3]

I also disagree with the pump-action. It's easy to jam one up with a short-stroke--even skilled 3-gun competitors do so with great frequency, as often as once per match. Whereas todays semiautomatics are quite reliable.

maybe but ive been using pumps for as long as ive been shooting ill stick to what im use to.

 

[fdw]

I voted shotgun but have a mixture of SD options around the house including semis, carbines and revolvers...

 

[cmort666]

I've also seen several cases where developmentally disabled individuals sometimes became confused and wandered into the wrong house.

There's only one normal way in, and it's ALWAYS locked. The ONLY way in without my permission is to kick in the door or bust a window. There's NO "innocent" connotation to EITHER.

NOBODY is EVER going to "wander" into my home. Anybody who FORCIBLY enters is a threat and isn't going to be given the benefit of any doubts. They get ONE verbal command to leave. After that, it's on. I'm not going to be one of those people who ends up dead because he tried to "negotiate" with an intruder.

 

[JCFindley]

NYC has never been on my list of a place to live or work. My best friend from college spent a year or two there working for Micro$oft. He hated it. I'm never again living some place where the city motto is, "We don't have to protect you and we won't let you protect yourself."

Ironically, while there's strict preemption of firearms law in Ohio, every little burg can make their own knife laws, to the point where it's just not worth it for me to carry one, at least where I don't need it for work.

That's a mess.

When I worked in DC I lived in VA because of the difference between the gun laws in the District and Maryland and VA.The former two were draconian.

That is a mess with the locals establishing knife law in OH. I have always known the state laws where I worked or traveled often but OH sounds like a PITA. I carried the CQC-14 in DC because the blade length had to be under 14 for it to be considered a common pocket knife unless proven otherwise. In NY the Emersons might or might not have been legal depending on the cop or prosecutor because of how they can be opened and a vague interpretation in case law. I wasn't walking the city with no tools though so took that much risk.

In FL we have a four inch or less limit for "common" pocket knives but that doesn't really apply with a CWL anyway as far as carrying.

 

[bestagents]

Anyone fire any of these at night or indoors with no hearing protection?

I chose shotgun..less penetration I suppose what my thinking. I feel comfortable with my 12g double cowboy gun. And I'm good at reloading..but never tried it at night in the dark after firing it inside..gotta be hell on the head, eyes and ears i'd think?

A G43 is my carry gun, I compete with it in IDPA and PPC so again, can manipulate in blindfolded if need be. Got some liberty ammo last week to try out - that ammo seems to not over penetrate.

I see weekly on the news people with bullet holes 1 or 2 rooms inside from a gun shot from a drive by. I figure there's enough questions and hassles if you shoot the bad guy..putting holes in a neighbors house isn't something I want to, um, talk my way out of.

Sure..sure. We never miss our targets, but just once we might not hit the X.

 

[bestagents]

True, I've never let anyone in.
But it seems to be pretty common - some bible pusher, utility worker or such comes to the door and gets inside...

If you keep your gun in the bedroom..you're screwed. Gotta carry always everywhere...it would seem.

Is a glock good in a pool? LOL

There's only one normal way in, and it's ALWAYS locked. The ONLY way in without my permission is to kick in the door or bust a window. There's NO "innocent" connotation to EITHER.

NOBODY is EVER going to "wander" into my home. Anybody who FORCIBLY enters is a threat and isn't going to be given the benefit of any doubts. They get ONE verbal command to leave. After that, it's on. I'm not going to be one of those people who ends up dead because he tried to "negotiate" with an intruder.

 

[cmort666]

In FL we have a four inch or less limit for "common" pocket knives but that doesn't really apply with a CWL anyway as far as carrying.

We've managed to do away with some of the worst aspects of concealed carry in Ohio, but it really does need to be changed into a "Concealed WEAPON License". I don't see why it should be legal for me to carry a .44 magnum anywhere in the state (subject to STATE law), but not a common pocket knife.

That being said, I carry a gun so that I don't HAVE to defend myself with a knife or a club. I'm looking to be left alone, not to be in a "fair" fight, participation in which indicates a SERIOUS lack of planning on SOMEBODY'S part.

 

[cmort666]

True, I've never let anyone in.
But it seems to be pretty common - some bible pusher, utility worker or such comes to the door and gets inside...

Anybody not previously invited besides the landlord and cops with a warrant can keep right on moving. I don't even open the door to the cops. The last time they came (wrong apartment), I talked to them THROUGH the door. That leaves any unscheduled/unwanted visitors with ONLY one alternative: FORCE. Anybody who kicks in the door gets their MOS changed to "bullet trap".

If you keep your gun in the bedroom..you're screwed. Gotta carry always everywhere...it would seem.

I grew up in Chiraq in the '60s during a rash of home invasions. I almost never get unannounced visitors. When I do, I NEVER answer the door without a gun in my hand.

Is a glock good in a pool? LOL

I don't have a pool. And yes, with the aquatic spring cups, a Glock can be fired under water.

 

[JCFindley]

We've managed to do away with some of the worst aspects of concealed carry in Ohio, but it really does need to be changed into a "Concealed WEAPON License". I don't see why it should be legal for me to carry a .44 magnum anywhere in the state (subject to STATE law), but not a common pocket knife.

That being said, I carry a gun so that I don't HAVE to defend myself with a knife or a club. I'm looking to be left alone, not to be in a "fair" fight, participation in which indicates a SERIOUS lack of planning on SOMEBODY'S part.

The only time I carry a knife over a gun is when it is illegal for me to have the gun regardless of the CWL. (Like where I work 5 days a week.)

When I was younger I left the 357 in the car because I didn't have a CWL valid in the state I was traveling through. I ended up being approached by two car jackers even after three assertive warnings to stay away. I was able to dissuade them from completing their act with a 3.5 inch Gerber positioned to slice the lead jacker's carotid. Frankly that puts them WAY too close for comfort and I am lucky that 1. He didn't pull whatever was in his hand in his hoodie pocket before he was in my lethal range and 2. That he decided it wasn't worth the fight with the crazy dude with a knife and veered away cursing me as he walked briskly away. (The second dude out and out ran.)

CWLs and reciprocity have come a long way since then and there is not a state I would visit where I cannot carry now with the exception of NY as my wife's family lives there. Heck, I have a 22 magnum Pug that fits nicely in my swim suit.

 

[Mister X]

There's only one normal way in, and it's ALWAYS locked. The ONLY way in without my permission is to kick in the door or bust a window. There's NO "innocent" connotation to EITHER.

NOBODY is EVER going to "wander" into my home. Anybody who FORCIBLY enters is a threat and isn't going to be given the benefit of any doubts. They get ONE verbal command to leave. After that, it's on. I'm not going to be one of those people who ends up dead because he tried to "negotiate" with an intruder.

Does "it's on" mean open fire?

A few years back I opened the door to a woman(well dressed, petite, middle aged driving a very nice, new Buick crossover who looked rather scared) who tried to push her way past me into my home demanding to know where her daughter was and yelling her name. Turned out her daughter had gone missing and she simply had the wrong address of where she thought she might be. I had to hold her back while explaining her mistake, but it took a few minutes for her to calm down. I imagine if she had gotten by me, she would have ignored my initial commands to stop and leave and went charging through my house searching for her daughter. Had she gotten past me, do you think I should have simply shot her?

 

[BigBill]

No?

It does on tv and in the movies? If we watch the movie online everything we read and see online is true right? Lmao that Nagant has the cylinder that moves forward to seal the gasses and noise.

 

[JCFindley]

I open the door if someone knocks.

I ALWAYS have a gun in my right hand behind the door.

Two US Marshals were pounding on my door at 0600 looking for one of my daughter's friends. (Yes, long talk with daughter followed about her choice in friends.) Anyway, I tuck the pistol into the small of my back, let them in after checking their creds and tell them I am going to very slowly put my pistol that is in my belt on the kitchen table.

 

[BigBill]

First my dog is on guard? He works for cheeseburgers. Next my semi auto is on guard but if you wake up the misses your on your own. She gets meaner than a wolverine if you wake her up.

Ever watch duck dynasty when Phil took the wife and DIL wild bore hunting. He told them to cover there ears but they were too busy talking then he shot. The women weren't happy.

If I wake up the wife in the middle of the night and say cover your ears she would say what?????? Googoots(squash)