Home defense

Best house gun

  • Govenor, Judge or equivelent

    Votes: 10 3.8%
  • Short barreled revolver

    Votes: 48 18.0%
  • Semi Auto

    Votes: 114 42.9%
  • Short barreled Shotgun

    Votes: 78 29.3%
  • Carbine

    Votes: 16 6.0%

  • Total voters
    266
I have more than on firearm for home defense. I use a New York reload. I prefer handguns and use the bedroom defense. We stay in the bedroom until the cops arrive. You can steal what you want inside my house until then, just don't come down the hallway.
 
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About the police arrival... crooks in the house... and the "bedroom-defense" thing... I am intrigued... and would like to know more. If you need to start another thread... I for one... would appreciate it!
I rent.

My bedroom door wouldn't keep out a tubercular five year old with muscular dystrophy.

Any intruder is going to be on me LONG before the cops show up. I'd rather get the drop on HIM in familiar territory in the dark, than vice versa.

Besides, I'm simply NOT going to call the cops every time I hear a noise. Pretty soon they're going to stop coming... or find something to charge ME with.

The last time I heard something here that MIGHT be an intruder, it turned out to be a collapsed bookshelf. I'm not going to waste the cops' time and make myself look like a bedwetting coward in the bargain.
 
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Just curious, Will. I truly respect you and yore decision. Is there a reason why you would allow an intruder... to wander in your home unchallenged until the police arrive? I have heard of this before... but never a man good enough to post it. Ya know... there are bunches of folks like you... but don't want anybody to know it. I do respect you so.

About the police arrival... crooks in the house... and the "bedroom-defense" thing... I am intrigued... and would like to know more. If you need to start another thread... I for one... would appreciate it!

Two reasons: the practical and the tactical.

Practically, we'd prefer not to shoot anybody. Aside from the legal complications--being charged, facing a grand jury, or just being sued by the "victim" or his family--we'd also have to contend with the psychological consequences of killing somebody. No matter how justified we might be.

Tactically, we may be ninja quiet and know our house well, but ain't nobody that quiet. Moving through the house puts us at a disadvantage. While we have to move and constantly expose ourselves to new positions, our potential opponent can simply choose an advantageous position and wait for us to happen upon him. We'd prefer to not be on the wrong side of an ambush if we can at all help it.

And we can! The way most houses are designed, all of the bedrooms are accessed from a single hallway, or off a single larger living area. So all we need to do to control the parts of the house with people in them--the only non-replaceable things in that house--we just need to control that area, be it a hallway, or the top of a set of stairs, or even just a particular corner of the living room.

And the bedroom is ideal. It's typically the most interior room of the house, furthest from the main entrances, normally with only one way in and out. Setting up there means we can't be flanked except from outside the house, and can control that critical hallway.
 
Seriously, my home is 27' X 30' the farthest distance you can be from me and I can still see you is 20'.

The thought of firing a rifle in my home scares the hell out of me. I'm almost positive it would go all the way to the outside brick wall (2 apartments down) before it stopped.

I carry an M&P9C at home so that would be my home defense weapon
 
Just curious, Will. I truly respect you and yore decision. Is there a reason why you would allow an intruder... to wander in your home unchallenged until the police arrive? I have heard of this before... but never a man good enough to post it. Ya know... there are bunches of folks like you... but don't want anybody to know it. I do respect you so.

About the police arrival... crooks in the house... and the "bedroom-defense" thing... I am intrigued... and would like to know more. If you need to start another thread... I for one... would appreciate it!

I know that I'm gonna wander out and say "Howdy . . . "
 
From my perspective, there are no material possessions in my home worth killing, dying or going to prison for. I would do everything I could to avoid engaging an intruder with lethal force.
 
From my perspective, there are no material possessions in my home worth killing, dying or going to prison for. I would do everything I could to avoid engaging an intruder with lethal force.

To each their own. But if someone breaks into my house they're going to get a good dose of lead poisoning.

I work hard for what I have. And the act of breaking in immediately puts myself and wife in danger. And I couldn't live with myself knowing that I should have stopped a bad guy in my house that just broke into my neighbors house and hurt someone.

The feeling of being violated never goes away. You won't sleep for weeks and you'll never trust anyone again.
 
In light of the 410 Governor debate I though I would take a poll.

Which would or do you have handy in the house for the extreme emergency.

Very first thing your going to pick up. I know many of you have one or more back ups for what ever eventuality.

first line of defense in my house is my trusty 85# pitbull, followed up by either of my semi-autos I can get to. next is the sheriff deputy with his K9 and scatter gun right next door. lastly, my short tempered wife and her trusty frying pan.
 
Also a good home defense gun would be something with a silencer on it. That is if you care anything about your hearing. I would not want to or use my 357 magnum inside my home.

Yep, the "Don't Wake The Baby Gun" is getting pretty popular for HD ;)

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I qualified for LEOSA in July w/a Glock 17 and it has become my home defense weapon, replacing my Model 10 4".
 
He picked up a bat and went to see what the noises were... whereupon an intruder stabbed him in the heart, killing him.

I am not a fan of baseball bats for home defense as you have no room to maneuver a bat. For that matter, I am not a fan of baseball bats for defense period as a trained individual can overcome them relatively easily. While I wouldn't want to fight someone with a baseball bat I wouldn't choose one as a defensive tool either.

All that said, if you walk into an ambush, you can be stabbed in the heart while carrying a shotgun or pistol or any other weapon.

My step-daughter wanted a pistol but absolutely refused to agree to train with one. Just wanted it to "scare" someone away. I bought her a combat tomahawk instead. (Not to be used as a throwing weapon.)

Oh, I don't have a Chihuahua named Mitzi but do have a "vicious" cavapoo named Archie. In my opinion just the sound of a dog barking will keep most people from attempting a burglary but really Archie's only job is to wake up the people that both have a gun on their nightstand.
 
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Any revolver without an internal lock, I don't want anything else that could go wrong. Model 642, Model 442.
 
From my perspective, there are no material possessions in my home worth killing, dying or going to prison for. I would do everything I could to avoid engaging an intruder with lethal force.
People who enter occupied dwellings tend not to share that attitude. In fact, some of them (like Hays and Komissarjevsky) positively ENJOY killing people over their property and money... and just for the "fun" of it.

Anybody who enters my home KNOWING (or reasonably suspecting) that I'm there is a THREAT, a threat which needs to be neutralized.

In Ohio, I'm not going to prison for shooting somebody who when told to leave, after forcibly entering my home, makes himself an immediate and credible threat to life and limb. I have the rebuttable presumption of justification.

NO plan I will EVER have will EVER be premised on the rationality, common sense or basic decency of somebody who enters my home without my permission, where there's a reasonable likelihood that I'm home. Such a person is almost invariably at least open to the possibility of doing me harm. I'm not letting ANYBODY do me harm.
 
All that said, if you walk into an ambush, you can be stabbed in the heart while carrying a shotgun or pistol or any other weapon.
My impression of the show was that there was at least some sort of physical confrontation before he was stabbed.

I doubt that the deceased had a lot of expertise or experience using a bat as a weapon, and the results showed it. If I had to guess, I'll bet that he took a swing at the intruder who ducked and stabbed him.

Assuming reasonable situational awareness, it's ALWAYS going to be easier to pull a trigger than swing a bat. In order to use the bat, you have to AT LEAST get to within the length of the bat minus 2-3 inches from your assailant. The firearm has no such limitations, nor is the recovery time between engagements anywhere similar.
 
Thanks for all the input on this. Couple things I found interesting.

Semis out numbered revolvers 2-1 and on a S&W forum to boot.

Not surprised by the percentage of those who chose a shotgun.

But, not I surprised that handguns were favored by far.

Didn't know what to expect on the carbines.

I am sure everyone made their choices for valid personal reasons and situations. Even the governor people, I don't get it but I have been known to have my own opinions and they don't always mess with everyone else. What suits one person don't work for another. Some drive Ford pickups some drive Buick sedans. Its all good.

I do know it would be a bad idea to use this forum to scout for potential home invasion victims.:eek:
 
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I'm on the road

Ahhhh, I'm liking that idea a lot! Care to share your recipe? :cool:

I'm on the road and I'll check when I get home, but one is Unique with a 135 gr. Speer Gold Dot at about 1050 fps. About any powder will do, just load near the starting loads of the .357.

I'm also trying to develop a 135 gr GD load for the .38 J frame, but I haven't got any numbers. The numbers I got with other bullets haven't been promising. Not that they wouldn't work, but they don't anywhere near the energy that I hoped. I can't wait to get to the range to clock honest efforts at an SD round.

UPDATE: Man I'm crazy visiting NYC. The best loads were with Power Pistol.
 
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I doubt that the deceased had a lot of expertise or experience using a bat as a weapon, and the results showed it. If I had to guess, I'll bet that he took a swing at the intruder who ducked and stabbed him.

A bat can be a devastating weapon, but like any weapon, it has its limitations.

It's only really powerful about halfway through the swing. Caught early, it hasn't yet had time to build up the speed necessary to translate its mass into damage. Too late, and the user is trying to slow the swing down instead of swinging through the intended target. It's also got a tendency to glance off whatever it impacts. Not to mention that the ones I used even in little league were 28"-32" long, making it rather ungainly unless you use it inefficiently as a thrusting weapon.

In other words, even if you managed to connect with the thing, there's a very good chance that the strike would be ineffectual for whatever reason.

Coincidentally, good to read up on what kinds of injuries can be inflicted by various improvised weapons. Goes to the "reasonable person" standard should you ever stand trial. One such picture got shown to a group of medical examiners in training. It showed a fairly large man, who would have been over 6' 6", if he still had a head. Suffice to say, there was a fair amount of gore, but nothing that could be identified as once having been a human head. The instructor asked the students what weapon they thought had inflicted that damage.

Most guessed a shotgun. A few thought it was some kind of machinery accident. Several thought explosives, including one guess of "hand grenade".

It was a standard, household hammer, wielded by the deceased's battered wife. She stood, IIRC, 5'4". Got tired of being slapped around, grabbed the hammer, and when he didn't take her seriously, cracked him square in the skull with it. Once he was down, she just kept going until she decided she was finished.
 

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