I still have 10 rounds of the 5.3grs and will take my calibers and check for setback this morning. No setback in 10 rounds probably will not prove a thing. it could be just that one case that was tired. I did pull the bullets on the next 5 rounds that was loaded. They go into the box in the order they come off the press. No I am not OCD, well maybe a little. The charges were right on and it took 2 hard wacks on my anvil to pull the bullet. The plating shower no sign of crimp imprinting so I could tighten the taper crimp up a little more.
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I still have 10 rounds of the 5.3grs and will take my calibers and check for setback this morning. No setback in 10 rounds probably will not prove a thing. it could be just that one case that was tired. I did pull the bullets on the next 5 rounds that was loaded. They go into the box in the order they come off the press. No I am not OCD, well maybe a little. The charges were right on and it took 2 hard wacks on my anvil to pull the bullet. The plating shower no sign of crimp imprinting so I could tighten the taper crimp up a little more.
4barrel
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Looks you are using an H&G 68 with a long nose. If the barrel link is longer than normal it pushes the barrel higher in the slide and the barrel will shave lead off the end of the bullet at the bottom of the barrel or could push it back if it does not jam. Sometimes you can remove a small amount from the bottom of the barrel to cure this. A round nose or plated bullet may work better. You can chamber two rounds and fire the first and remove the unfired one to inspect for shaving. Just thinking out loud.
Did the pressure blow back the one in the magazine also?Looks you are using an H&G 68 with a long nose. If the barrel link is longer than normal it pushes the barrel higher in the slide and the barrel will shave lead off the end of the bullet at the bottom of the barrel or could push it back if it does not jam. Sometimes you can remove a small amount from the bottom of the barrel to cure this. A round nose or plated bullet may work better. You can chamber two rounds and fire the first and remove the unfired one to inspect for shaving. Just thinking out loud.
Yes it did. I am headed to the range to do a setback check right now and I will also check the chambered round that is something I hadn't thought of. TY
OMG! Don't do that as then the neck tension folks will be all over you!!
"Everyone" knows that crimping is evil and will upset the neck tension which is what hold the bullet.
Over crimp and you lose the tension.Sorry, just came from the sarcasm thread in the lounge,
On plated bullets you should not see any crimp line or at least just a tiny, tiny bit. The crimp should just remove the flare and then a tad more.
AveragEd
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In this age of society's members having little love and respect for one another, I think it is great that a guy can post the story and photos of the results of a mistake he may have made in hopes of helping others without being called a dummy or berated in any way. There aren't many places like this one left and it speaks highly of S&W owners and the shooting fraternity in general.
Just thought that needed to be said.
Ed
Just thought that needed to be said.
Ed
OMG! Don't do that as then the neck tension folks will be all over you!!
"Everyone" knows that crimping is evil and will upset the neck tension which is what hold the bullet.
Sorry, just came from the sarcasm thread in the lounge,
On plated bullets you should not see any crimp line or at least just a tiny, tiny bit. The crimp should just remove the flare and then a tad more.
Yep that is my crimping standard. I don't like Ring Around the Bullet tight. It doesn't really hurt as long as you don't break the plating. Berry's told me that in a email. I deleted the emails.
Don't be sorry about the sarcasm I like the stuff at my age I use it a lot.
Ok to end this thread and hopefully this problem here is the results from this mornings setback testing. 4barrel's idea was a winner.
I measured the ten rounds I had left and wrote the length on the side of the brass.
Loader 3 rounds of that in the mag then 2 rounds of some 230gr Plated RN on top of it.
Fired the two rounds of 230 and dropped the mag and removed the SWC from the chamber. Measured all rounds and did this 5 times. Rounds left in mag never changed. Every round chambered was shorter. From .010 to .020 shorter.
I think that I had a round that for some reason that had less neck tension then these and it got jammed in way to far. Even these rounds are not except able and I am going to have to work this out.
Thanks everyone for the help and not calling me a dummy even if I did get close to being one. I hope that others will learn from this I sure have.
Don
I measured the ten rounds I had left and wrote the length on the side of the brass.
Loader 3 rounds of that in the mag then 2 rounds of some 230gr Plated RN on top of it.
Fired the two rounds of 230 and dropped the mag and removed the SWC from the chamber. Measured all rounds and did this 5 times. Rounds left in mag never changed. Every round chambered was shorter. From .010 to .020 shorter.
I think that I had a round that for some reason that had less neck tension then these and it got jammed in way to far. Even these rounds are not except able and I am going to have to work this out.
Thanks everyone for the help and not calling me a dummy even if I did get close to being one. I hope that others will learn from this I sure have.
Don
fredj338
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IMO, no. The primer looks perfectly normal. I have seen a few doubles as a range SO, the primer pocket always shows pressure signs. I am still betting OOB firing. What recoil spring are you running? Soft recoil spring, sticky firing pin, something went wrong, but I doubt it was the load.
4barrel
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GUYS-All reloaders --I know this post is over but look at post 22. That round in the top of the magazine looks to have blown also to me. It did not blow in from the one above it.-- it blew out. A double explosion? The front of the bullet looks melted from the escaping gases with that round? That must be some soft lead? The stocks should have been blown off unless they were hard rubber. Domino effect?
That is brass in Magloades face. Not powder. I like honest posts. People new to reloading have not got the screw ups down as much as a 40 year reloader. The mistakes stick in your mind. If the bullet in the magazine had the proper crimp the magazine would have blown out the bottom with out the bullet being set back. I have used his powder but backed off to 38s because it spikes too much for me in 45 ACP. I welcome another opinion. When the one in the barrel went off with the bullet seated lower in the case it blew the web because of a fast powder and pressure sent the next round back and set the powder off in the magazine. The guy was lucky they all did not go off because of the loose crimp.
That is brass in Magloades face. Not powder. I like honest posts. People new to reloading have not got the screw ups down as much as a 40 year reloader. The mistakes stick in your mind. If the bullet in the magazine had the proper crimp the magazine would have blown out the bottom with out the bullet being set back. I have used his powder but backed off to 38s because it spikes too much for me in 45 ACP. I welcome another opinion. When the one in the barrel went off with the bullet seated lower in the case it blew the web because of a fast powder and pressure sent the next round back and set the powder off in the magazine. The guy was lucky they all did not go off because of the loose crimp.
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AveragEd
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There were problems with TiteGroup in 12-gauge trap shotshell loads too. The small drops barely covered the base wad and double charges were very easy to miss as the crimp wouldn't give it away by being convex as with most other powders. Because of that, I've always preferred slower burning powders over the faster ones like TG in all shells, handgun included, because they require heavier powder charges. But it's inexpensive to buy and use and that appeals to a lot of shooters.
Ed
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