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[kwselke]

My theory about why all these new ailments are occurring at a higher rate than in the past... people used to die earlier of something else and not push the envelope. It might be marketing hype. Probably a combination of a lot of things. Folks you have got to die of something, do not get caught up in marketing fear mongering.

 

[italiansport]

Being from an Italian/French background my favorite is a nice crusty loaf of either French or Italian bread which is what i was raised on.
If this stuff was as bad for you as some claim half the population of Europe would die in their forty's! My other favorite bread is Rye and apparently they've decided that's an ok choice. That multi-grain stuff they sell in stores would just stay there if i had any choice as to me it's like chewing on sandpaper.
Jim

 

[Absalom]

I have celiac which is an allergy to all grains. If I eat it two hours later on the dot I am painfully spewing from both ends. If I do it long enough it kills the cilia in my small intestine and become anemic. This is not just a health food craze. Scientists have tried to figure out why the occurrence of celiac is on the rise. They found blood samples from a USAF Reserve unit that had been taken in the 60s and frozen. The celiac rate was less than a third of what it is now. The OP is correct, the grains we have now have been so genetically modified that they didn’t exist in the 60s.

The two things are not mutually exclusive.

1. For people who have the genetic predisposition and develop celiac (not all do), gluten sensitivity is a serious problem.

2. For people who don't, "cutting down on gluten" the way more sensible people cut down on salt or sugar is indeed a silly health food craze that may actually be counterproductive if taken to extremes, because the benefits of whole grains for a healthy digestive system are a scientific certainty.

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YRL4uIVzVWI[/ame]

 

[Bekeart]

Another vote for Bob's Red Mill Poloenta

Ain't nuthin' what it used to be. I grew up eating things with wheat flour, sometimes mixed with white flour, and cornmeal that we ground ourselves from corn and wheat that we raised.

We buy Red Mill Polenta or coarse ground corn meal today at the store, as well as whole wheat flour of the same brand. Again, my wife makes somethings from white flour, but not the stuff that is so highly refined and "enriched". Other than cornbread, we don't eat nearly as much bread as we usta. One concession to that is that we do eat flour and corn tortillas quite a bit.

Another vote for Bob's Red Mill Poloenta - COARSE Grind of Yellow Corn Meal.

Few months ago a Lady Friend asked me to find COARSE grind Corn Meal - Like her family had when she was growing up.


After several dead ends, finally found Bob's Red Mill Polenta at a Mennonite store.
Later we found their Polenta at other stores - even Wal-Mart.
ALMOST like Mama used ...

Bekeart

 

[soFlaNative]

Anything but multi grain.
Odd chunks in it like something that fell under the fridge.

 

[nicky4968]

Wheat, rye, and barley have gluten (or produce it; depends on how you perceive it.)
Potatoes, Corn, Rice do not.
I like good food. Some days I make soft tacos with wheat flour tacos; some days with corn.
Remember Spud Nuts?

 

[BC38]

This thread cracks me up.

Celiac and/or gluten allergies my be on the rise, but they still affect only a very small percentage of the population. Is it due to genetically modified wheat? I don't know. Peanut allergies are on the rise too - is it because peanuts have been genetically modified?

Gluten free is another food fad. Like trans fats. But as others have said, avoiding them can also mean avoiding other things we know are bad. On the other hand avoiding all grain is also bad (for the vast majority) because the roughage is something we need. As with most of life, moderation in all things is the answer.

Me, I like whole grain, 9 grain, rye, cracked wheat, etc. Palin old Wonder bread is like eating a dough ball to me. French bread, Italian bread (esecially with lots of garlic), sour dough, etc. are all OK. About the only thing I don't much care for is plain old white bread.

 

[LEO918]

Give us this day our daily bread.

 

[JayFramer]

Maybe next time you and "wifey" could do some more research on GMO's.

There have been THOUSANDS of studies on their effect on human health with absolutely no proof in causing any harm. But as people are prone to, you'll dig up limitless baseless fear mongering everywhere you look on the internet, often by people with products to sell. But don't eat the spooooky GMO's!! GMO's are bad, mkay.

More like they've saved already thousands from decimated crops all over the world and without them food would be even more expensive for many people than what it already is. Stop living in the dark ages and do some homework before jumping on the bandwagon of paranoia.

 

[BC38]

Maybe next time you and "wifey" could do some more research on GMO's.

There have been THOUSANDS of studies on their effect on human health with absolutely no proof in causing any harm. But as people are prone to, you'll dig up limitless baseless fear mongering everywhere you look on the internet, often by people with products to sell. But don't eat the spooooky GMO's!! GMO's are bad, mkay.

More like they've saved already thousands from decimated crops all over the world and without them food would be even more expensive for many people than what it already is. Stop living in the dark ages and do some homework before jumping on the bandwagon of paranoia.

Absolutely. Just like the anti-vaccine movement. Do a few kids in every 100 thousand have an adverse reaction to any given vaccine? Sure. So instead lets stop vaccinating any of them - and let several thousand of them catch the disease instead. The disease will only kill a few hundred and scar a couple of thousand others for life. But hey, we kept that handfull out of every one hundred thousand from getting sick or dying from a bad reaction to the vaccine, right?

Same logic applies. My big thing about vaccines and GMO foods and etc. is look at life expectancy in this country. Is it going up or is it going down. When I was a kid, life expectancy for a male born the same year as me was 69. What is it now? 79 last time I looked. That's nearly a 15% increase IN MY LIFETIME. And it keeps going up. So are vaccines and GMO foods, and preservatives, and etc. killing people? If so, how does the average life expectancy keep going up?

Trouble is most people don't look at the facts and apply logic. They just assume the latest "crisis" being screamed about by the sensationalist media is true and start living by it as if it were gospel...

 

[rwsmith]

I like......

I like PO-tater bread.

 

[johngalt]

Sorry, but that's not how it works. If your doctor thinks that, find another one.

Celiac disease is a genetic autoimmune condition that is not caused by anything you eat. However, a reaction to gluten is a serious effect of the disease. If you don't have the genetic defect (less than one percent of the population do), you can eat all the gluten you want. There is some non-gluten wheat sensitivity that affects less than another percent of the population, more of a food allergy.

All the folks belonging to the other 98% who think they live healthier or feel better if they cut out gluten are suffering from IGS (Imaginary Gluten Syndrome).

However, that's not necessarily a bad thing. We Americans tend to eat wheat (that is, gluten), in the worst possible combinations with the real killers, salt, sugar, and fat. Think pizza dough, hamburger and hot dog buns, pastries, donuts ... So anyone cutting down on that stuff, even for a scientifically nonsensical reason, will inevitably eat healthier and live better .

Something like 2/3 of the population have the gene that makes one susceptible to celiac. Yes, I know it is a genetic autoimmune disease. Obviously 2/3 of the population don't have it. In Europe the rate is about 4%. In the US it used to be around 1% but has been climbing.

People aren't always born with celiac, but the condition may be triggered later in life. You don't 'catch' it like a cold, but is often triggered by something. The doctors don't know why, a few (my mother's doctor included) are becoming suspicious that it may be due to the method of making bread. Europe has put extra gluten in bread for a long time. In the US it is more recent. There is a correlation with the increase in celiac, but the can't say yet it's a cause.

No, the doc doesn't recommend those fad gluten free diets if you don't have celiac. The gluten free stuff is mostly rice flour, has very little nutritional value, and is worse for you than the regular stuff.

There is a reason celiac is on the rise, they don't know what it is. There is evidence that there may be a link to modern bread making methods, which includes additional gluten. That is all the doc is suggesting, he isn't recommending fad diets to those who don't have celiac.

It difficult to go into depth about it on an Internet forum, but my mother has celiac, her doctor is at the Mayo Clinic. He is neither an idiot nor a fool.

 

[jag312]

One of my friends calls me almost every day telling me about something that he discovered on the internet. I listen to the latest conspiracies, quack medical treatments, and food fads. All I say is bonjour. He hasn't quite figured out what that means.

I eat sour dough bread, hotdogs, hamburgers, red meat, bacon, tuna fish, etc. I drink whole milk. I have had all my vaccinations. I keep my tetanus shots up to date. I may not be 19 anymore, but I am pretty darn healthy. When anyone tells me that I am not leading a healthy life style, my response is Bonjour.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3dklKP572Q[/ame]

 

[Absalom]

.......
It difficult to go into depth about it on an Internet forum, but my mother has celiac, her doctor is at the Mayo Clinic. He is neither an idiot nor a fool.

That all is a much more complex and better explanation than your initial statement, although you can't generalize about "Europe" at all. Celiac rates in Germany are actually dramatically lower (only about .2 in 100, instead of 1 like in the US), even though that is one of the original bread-eating countries where I learned the habit of munching on bread without anything on it all the time.

 

[chaparrito]

This thread cracks me up.

Celiac and/or gluten allergies my be on the rise, but they still affect only a very small percentage of the population. Is it due to genetically modified wheat? I don't know. Peanut allergies are on the rise too - is it because peanuts have been genetically modified?

Gluten free is another food fad. Like trans fats. But as others have said, avoiding them can also mean avoiding other things we know are bad. On the other hand avoiding all grain is also bad (for the vast majority) because the roughage is something we need. As with most of life, moderation in all things is the answer.

Me, I like whole grain, 9 grain, rye, cracked wheat, etc. Palin old Wonder bread is like eating a dough ball to me. French bread, Italian bread (esecially with lots of garlic), sour dough, etc. are all OK. About the only thing I don't much care for is plain old white bread.

Trans-fats a food fad? Um...no. This is only one of many well controlled studies. Real fats are healthy. Coconut, extra virgin olive, grapeseed oils, even grass-fed animal fats. Transfats will kill you. Study reveals broad dangers of trans fats | VUMC Reporter | Vanderbilt University

 

[chaparrito]

They got it wrong back in the 60s-70s. They just plain got it wrong when they told us that high dietary fat = high cholesterol = heart disease. They were wrong when they told us to quit eating beef and butter and eggs and eat more grains. Trans-fats were invented. We complied and got fatter and fatter and heart disease and diabetes rates sky-rocketed.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Already posted that my I reached for tortillas and grabbed gluten free.
Later made some Tacos.
What is wrong with these Tacos?
Realized that I had purchased Gluten Free!
I guess that I like Gluten.
Sure didn't like Gluten Free!

 

[Absalom]

They got it wrong back in the 60s-70s. They just plain got it wrong when they told us that high dietary fat = high cholesterol = heart disease. They were wrong when they told us to quit eating beef and butter and eggs and eat more grains. Trans-fats were invented. We complied and got fatter and fatter and heart disease and diabetes rates sky-rocketed.

Actually, the REAL problem is that everybody started eating more grains WITHOUT quitting beef, butter, and eggs.

For the vast majority of people without specific medical issues, the enemies have always and will always be the same threesome: salt, sugar, fat.

No matter what diet you're on, from fad to home cooking, keep those under control and you'll be fine, don't and you won't.

All else comes down to rationalizations for lack of individual responsibility.

 

[BC38]

Trans-fats a food fad? Um...no. This is only one of many well controlled studies. Real fats are healthy. Coconut, extra virgin olive, grapeseed oils, even grass-fed animal fats. Transfats will kill you. Study reveals broad dangers of trans fats | VUMC Reporter | Vanderbilt University

Go back 30 or 40 years. There were just as many studies showing that real fats - like butter - were horrible for you and trans-fats - like margarine were much better and healthier. Heck there were brands that were built on that premise - Parkay, I Can't Believe Its Not Butter, HeartWise, these were all brands of margarine that based their whole sales strategy and brand on the idea of being healthier than butter.

I'm not saying that trans fats are good - or even better - for you. BUT, when is the last time you heard anything about trans-fat in the news or in an ad campaign? 10 years ago that is ALL you heard about. That's what I meant by the comment about it being a fad. These days it's gluten that is the big nutritional bugaboo. 5 or 10 years from now you won't hear squat about gluten - just like you don't hear anything about trans-fats today.

The sensationalist media makes a big deal out of whatever food issue or concern that some study highlights and for a few years it is trumpeted from every rooftop as a sales pitch for "new & improved" food products that have more of the good stuff or less of the bad stuff. Then the world moves on to the next good or bad food craze. That is the very definition of a fad, and that's what I was referring to...

 

[Bill Bates]

Wheat, rye, and barley have gluten (or produce it; depends on how you perceive it.)

All this talk of grains and bread just made me thirsty.

I prefer my grain in liquid form