Shooting while moving training.

[Ozark Marine]

I think it is possible to respect the badge, but not the man.

Well ain't all you LEO's lucky?
Mr X will spare you guy's.

 

[blues7]

Well ain't all you LEO's lucky?
Mr X will spare you guy's.

He doesn't seem to understand that replying to an honestly proffered question is not an invitation to use it as a platform to denigrate another that the one who posed the question did not reference.

It is not only unseemly but cowardly given the fact that he was the one throwing down the gauntlet then picking it up and pretending that he was doing the other party a favor by doing so. Where I'm from a man would have a hard time living that down. (That said, I personally could care less about the "grudge match".)

The best thing to be done would be to quit running his mouth, (metaphorically speaking), and quit the thread. An apology would also be in order but that might be expecting too much considering the behavior we have been treated to thus far.

 

[Mister X]

I'm not sure where I was denigrating anyone in the post you reference.

Maybe Muss will tell us who post #88 was directed towards. Be honest now.

I can assure you there is no cowardice involved in my choices. I was completely sincere in my invitation until being informed of his status as well as a few other personal details regarding Mr.Muggins.

 

[Ziggy2525]

He doesn't seem to understand that replying to an honestly proffered question is not an invitation to use it as a platform to denigrate another that the one who posed the question did not reference.

It is not only unseemly but cowardly given the fact that he was the one throwing down the gauntlet then picking it up and pretending that he was doing the other party a favor by doing so. Where I'm from a man would have a hard time living that down. (That said, I personally could care less about the "grudge match".)

The best thing to be done would be to quit running his mouth, (metaphorically speaking), and quit the thread. An apology would also be in order but that might be expecting too much considering the behavior we have been treated to thus far.

I'd be curious who Mister X really is. He portrays himself as a well known trainer with a great reputation in the LE community. It would be interesting to see if the walk and talk match up. They very well may, but it's impossible to tell from posts on an internet forum.

 

[blues7]

I'd be curious who he really is. He portrays himself as a well known trainer with a great reputation in the LE community. It would be interesting to see if the walk and talk match up. They very well may, but it's impossible to tell from posts on an internet forum.

Ziggy, haven't a clue. Highly regarded and well respected trainers post under their own names quite openly on pistol-forum.com where I spend much of my time in addition to this site.

Perhaps he's afraid someone will put the lie to his alleged resume. As far as I know, there are very few criminals, terrorists or others of their stripe trying to hunt down trainers.
In fact, according to 'Mr. X' they should be afraid, very afraid.

Maybe it's really true...the pen is mightier than the sword.

 

[Ozark Marine]

Well Mr X could post a link to youtube or something.
Until then he's a story teller.

 

[Mister X]

I'd be curious who Mister X really is. He portrays himself as a well known trainer with a great reputation in the LE community. It would be interesting to see if the walk and talk match up. They very well may, but it's impossible to tell from posts on an internet forum.

I don't recall ever stating I'm a famous trainer nor do I care to be. Otherwise I would be pushing my classes. Did I state I had a good reputation in the LE community somewhere? I honestly would call it mixed at best. I don't think anyone has had a problem with my material, but quite a few have had issues with me personally. My shortcomings obviously, I openly admit that.

 

[Ozark Marine]

I'm just curious Mister X, could you offer up the names of the police departments you trained or trained with?
That along with some video (someone had to have a video camera phone).
There are LEO's here who could contact the departments and get the low down.
Sound fair?

 

[Mister X]

Perhaps he's afraid someone will put the lie to his alleged resume.

What part of my background do you find so impressive that you assumed it would be something worth lying about?

 

[Ziggy2525]

I don't recall ever stating I'm a famous trainer nor do I care to be. Otherwise I would be pushing my classes. Did I state I had a good reputation in the LE community somewhere? I honestly would call it mixed at best. I don't think anyone has had a problem with my material, but quite a few have had issues with me personally. My shortcomings obviously, I openly admit that.

In post #77 of this thread, you posted a link with your background. Some of the highlights were...

I've taught defensive tactics, weapon retention and ECQ force-on-force to LEO's for nearly 30 years. I've worked with individual officers as well as helping PD's revamp their DT programs training their instructors.

I was invited to compete in the UFC by Art Davie and was offered recruitment deals by team USA coaches in three different Olympic combat sports

I used to own a ranch with my own private range and my LEO students were frequent guests.

You didn't say the words, but what you did say left me with the impression you have done a lot of work with LEO's. That you had a good reputation with LEO's or they wouldn't keep using you for ECQ training or coming to your ranch as guests back when you owned it. Being invited to compete in the early UFC and being recruited for the Olympics in 3 combat sports gave me the impression you're well known (I didn't use the word "famous").

I probably read into it something that wasn't there.

 

[Ozark Marine]

Man if I had Mr X's fighting expertise, ranch, weapons range with LEO's training there and Olympic offer's you could be Darn sure I'd post pics and video's them instead of talking so much.

 

[apollo99]

Honestly guys I think this has gone far enough, hopefully nobody is going to get on a plane and fight each other. I would recommend dropping it at this point. I come to this forum because most of the guys are a great wealth of knowledge on S&Ws and guns in general, I see answers about ammo, reloading and even screwdrivers. I hope it doesn't become a fight every time a ego is bruised or a disparaging remark is said. Let's honor this Memorial Day and use it to honor the things that bring us together.

 

[Mister X]

In post #77 of this thread, you posted a link with your background. Some of the highlights were...







You didn't say the words, but what you did say left me with the impression you have done a lot of work with LEO's. That you had a good reputation with LEO's or they wouldn't keep using you for ECQ training or coming to your ranch as guests back when you owned it. Being invited to compete in the early UFC and being recruited for the Olympics in 3 combat sports gave me the impression you're well known (I didn't use the word "famous").

I probably read into it something that wasn't there.

It honestly doesn't take much to be a DT instructor. Simply being one is not some great achievement. I started training in and subsequently teaching various martial arts in the private sector at a very young age and most of my initial contacts came from LEO's seeking out additional resources through that venue. Police and even the Military will often bring in civilian instructors to improve their DT and combatives programs.

I did mentioned I was invited to participate in the UFC. This was the mid 90's and things worked very differently then than they do now. I never would get an invitation today. I had got a call from then promoter Art Davie. He said he wanted to put me against Ken Shamrock since he thought we matched up well since we were about the same size. I really had no interest in competing, let alone alone against Ken since there is not much doubt in my mind that he would have kicked my butt. A lot of these early UFC "invitations" were challenges and were rather mean spirited. Whether Art Davie thought it would actually be a good match up or he just wanted to put me in my place due to something I wrote in an MA magazine since I had publicly criticized the UFC on a couple of occasions, I don't know and don't really care.

Regarding the Olympic combat sport recruitment deals. I actually did pursue one of them since I thought it would be a great honor to represent the U.S. in the Olympics even though I really didn't care for sport-fighting in any form. I had a good deal given to me, but one day the coach sat me down and said I was the most physically gifted athletes he had ever come across, but I was kind of a loose cannon and ultimately a liability and subsequently cut me from the team after 6 months. I thought about taking another path, but decided against it and focused on teaching reality-based systems.

 

[richardw]

Honestly guys I think this has gone far enough, hopefully nobody is going to get on a plane and fight each other. I would recommend dropping it at this point. I come to this forum because most of the guys are a great wealth of knowledge on S&Ws and guns in general, I see answers about ammo, reloading and even screwdrivers. I hope it doesn't become a fight every time a ego is bruised or a disparaging remark is said. Let's honor this Memorial Day and use it to honor the things that bring us together.

So right. This was a great thread with a good variety of input until thread drift took over and then got personal.

Moderator, maybe it is time to close the thread.

 

[Muss Muggins]

What has that got to do with it? (And if I'm not mistaken, retired...like myself.)

Actually, I laid out a year and a half and just collected my pension, refereed soccer, went to the gym, and chauffeured my daughter around. I was called out of the blue in January to lend some age and experience to a couple different county agencies, and it turns out I enjoy it more than I thought I would. Plus if I hang on for seven more years, I get another pension . . .

 

[Muss Muggins]

I've seen pictures of Muss and know exactly who he is. He's an average size, out of shape, older gentleman. Like I said before, if he's truly interested in fighting, I'd recommend someone smaller and older. He should inform them he's LE either way.

Opinions vary . . .

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

What the heck is going on here?

Gentlemen, my apologies for not catching all this nonsense sooner.