Shooting while moving training.
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blues7
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In your line of work it's probably "that ain't how you put out a fire, son...lemme show you how it's done."
And so it goes...
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So when you're shooting on the move...how far can you hit accurately at full speed moving and shooting?
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It is your money after all. It is up to you to decide how to spend it. Keep in mind most trainers are out to get your/our money, it is how they make a living. Some have better morals than others, some have better methods than others.
I have a very high regard for MA instructors, tactical firearms trainers not so much. See it is much easier to become a firearms trainer than it is a MA trainer.
Most of the training I received was not from commercial firearms trainers but police officers, and military paid by the state, or federal government. Most of those were outstanding, and dedicated to saving the lives of police officers with practical methods that officers would actually use. Included in that training was always classroom, studies of actual incidents. We had specific training on SA techniques to avoid injury, or death due to a violent encounter.
When asked I suggest people check with their local law enforcement who to get training from. Most of them know a BS artist, and who is not. It is hard to do specific training on SA because there is so many factors of what to look for. Most importantly is to look, pay attention.
You see very few people will be a victim of a violent attack, and those odds are lower than statistics. There are certain people who always manage to find themselves in the deep end of the pool. There chances are higher, so stay out of the deep end.
As I have shown with one video that deadly attacks, especially with a knife come very quick, and close, without any warning. Distance is your friend, unless you know the person close to you is safe.
You also have to study why people commit crimes. Usually you can take a class on this at your community college. This will help you avoid getting into deep water.
To make it simple there are crimes of opportunity, which usually are not fatal. A armed robber wants your property, once they get it statistics tell us they will leave you alone. They don't want to get caught. Then there are those that plan a crime, sometimes a very violent crime. There are multiple reasons that they do this, revenge, mental illness, and many more. People that are doing it for revenge are unlikely to give any warning before an attack. They have planned it, and will execute it when they are very close. They are not going to tell you like some people see in the movies. Get close, and attack without warning.
I prefer to see people take classes that are practical to the statistics, and reality of actual incidents. I myself am not a trainer, but I know a good teacher when I see one, every student does. I am also not a tough guy, I am far from it. I will avoid trouble every time.
I also believe in using tools of life for safety, that is why I asked about the shopping cart. It is a barrier to a potential bad guy. Canned foods are a dangerous weapon by even sissies like me when thrown at an attacker. Bet not many tactical instructor, or even MA instructor teaches that. There are hundreds of items around you that can be used immediately to get to safety if possible. Though it still comes back to SA to recognize when to use them.
Hope I haven't bored you, I have thought about starting a SA thread. There are probably some on here, but then most probably would consider them boring.
Agreed. Enough of the nonsense. I'm done.
Listen, I appreciate anyone who is seriously training people and not just in it for the buck.
The trouble is, for every attack that you train to protect from, there are at least a half dozen others that don't conform to the program.
My belief, and it's only my belief, is that your attitude and commitment will matter the most. Most people can never train to cover every contingency.
Your mental attitude can carry you through some difficult places.
Be tougher than your attacker.
This stuff I hear about not being overly aggressive towards your attacker and escalating the encounter? BS.
If you're in a fight for your life, your attacker should be thankful they just survive the encounter.
The trouble is, for every attack that you train to protect from, there are at least a half dozen others that don't conform to the program.
My belief, and it's only my belief, is that your attitude and commitment will matter the most. Most people can never train to cover every contingency.
Your mental attitude can carry you through some difficult places.
Be tougher than your attacker.
This stuff I hear about not being overly aggressive towards your attacker and escalating the encounter? BS.
If you're in a fight for your life, your attacker should be thankful they just survive the encounter.
You are right, with some at least.In your line of work it's probably "that ain't how you put out a fire, son...lemme show you how it's done."
And so it goes...
I ran rescue with a deputy sheriff and he used to say" what's the big deal? You put the wet stuff on the red stuff".
He was right! That's basically all there is to it and the same applies to what I'm saying.
Neither one is rocket science, you do what works and what works can be different in every case.
Absolutely correct and well said. Especially agree wit the notion that I'd attacked the reaction should be to be as violent as you can be without losing control to an adrenaline rush.
Well, now we're going to do this publicly. Date, time and location, ground rules, and determination of the winner . . .
This isn't a gunfight is it?��
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The "Meet Me In St Louie RUMMMBBBBLLLLEEEE".
Hey I'm up for a short road trip.
Been wanting to visit my old USMC buddy there.
I'll buy the winner a great St Louis rib dinner and drinks. (for the winner and his gal)
If MUSS or Mister X fail to show, I'll write bad things about you guys.
Hey I'm up for a short road trip.
Been wanting to visit my old USMC buddy there.
I'll buy the winner a great St Louis rib dinner and drinks. (for the winner and his gal)
If MUSS or Mister X fail to show, I'll write bad things about you guys.
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Come on guys, I thought we finally moved past this.
I guess not. But to publicly call someone out on a public forum is just wrong. Some folks have a very high level of self confidence in these matters. Self confidence comes from having been there done that more than once. And I have a feeling that those that have been there are simply just telling the truth. Not bragging.
And in my experience, which is considerable, Such a person is best left alone.
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What has that got to do with it? (And if I'm not mistaken, retired...like myself.)
I have an aversion to assaulting cops for a multitude of reasons. Many years ago I once made the mistake of challenging a State Police DT instructor to a non-profit MMA fight to raise money for local cancer victims. He declined, but my life was much more difficult than it needed to be for a very long time. I've seen pictures of Muss and know exactly who he is. He's an average size, out of shape, older gentleman. Like I said before, if he's truly interested in fighting, I'd recommend someone smaller and older. He should inform them he's LE either way. Plus, after having taught Cops for so long as well as having family members on the force, I usually have a certain amount of respect for the badge. I can't say that's really the case with Muss and he should conduct himself in a more professional manner, but issuing a challenge to an officer is generally not looked at very favorably by LE or those who train them. It's a no win situation from my perspective. And he's active BTW from what I understand, so he should definately conduct himself with more dignity. If there had been a shield on his profile or he had stated he was an LEO, I never would have said what I did.
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Honestly, you could've answered my question without using it as a platform for further insulting Muss Muggins, (who I don't know at all), nor inflating your own purported abilities now that you no longer have skin in the game.
Frankly, that was a low blow and beneath the dignity of anyone who alleges respect for others, let alone the badge or LEOs.
While I have not always agreed with what I've read from Muss, the way you have comported yourself has left a bad taste and frankly I will have no further discourse with you.
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