Christopher67
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So would the 10mm be considered a "boutique round" as some have described in this thread? 
NC Highway Patrol "ditching" M&P357?
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Pass the popcorn, please....
Buttered, salted, or plain?
Might need all three for this thread, and a lot of whiskey.
Extra butter, please...... and a Guinness.
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I really don't see what the big deal is with the .357 SIG round. So what, it's a (MALE DOG) round. Aren't there A LOT more of these types of bullets out there? .327, .41, 9X18......just to name a few.
Myself, and a few of my gun shooting buddies, happen to like the round very much. It's very accurate, very fast, hard hitting, excellent ballistics, and a very reasonably priced bullet. It's about the same price as the S&W.40.
So, are there any others here that like the .357 SIG as much as I do? BTW, my 1.0 .40 M&P has my .357 SIG barrel permanently (for now anyway) residing there and is 1 of 2 EDC firearms.
Myself, and a few of my gun shooting buddies, happen to like the round very much. It's very accurate, very fast, hard hitting, excellent ballistics, and a very reasonably priced bullet. It's about the same price as the S&W.40.
So, are there any others here that like the .357 SIG as much as I do? BTW, my 1.0 .40 M&P has my .357 SIG barrel permanently (for now anyway) residing there and is 1 of 2 EDC firearms.
Arik
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Nope. Had one, didn't care for it. Did nothing the 40 didn't do except ate more money. Ammo is roughly $60 - $80 more per case over the 40sw
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Hi everyone, I like the .357 Sig round and have converted two pistols, Gen4 G22 and an M&P 40. When I first used it out both guns, I felt I shot it better and for me, the perceived recoil was less than the 40 S&W. I have a Gen 4 G23, still in .40 and may convert that too. I enjoy shooting it and if you look hard enough, you can find quality reloaded ammo and new, s.d ammo for it. I lubs me mah boutique .357 Sig! 
Disabled1
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I strongly disagree with that statement, somewhat. It depends on what type (FMJ VS JHP) and bullet grain. There might only be a few .357 SIG bullets that are lower priced, or even the same price, as the .40S&W round, but they ARE out there.
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Hi everyone, I like the .357 Sig round and have converted two pistols, Gen4 G22 and an M&P 40. When I first used it out both guns, I felt I shot it better and for me, the perceived recoil was less than the 40 S&W. I have a Gen 4 G23, still in .40 and may convert that too. I enjoy shooting it and if you look hard enough, you can find quality reloaded ammo and new, s.d ammo for it. I lubs me mah boutique .357 Sig!
I really enjoy shooting the .357 SIG round as well. And, I have NO PROBLEM finding low priced ammo. Those that don't like this round, you are just leaving more out there for me to scarf up.
Oh, I lubs me mah .357 SIG as well!
Arik
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Target Sports USA. Cheapest 357 Sig is PPU at $19.99 box/$399 a case. Cheapest 40 is Blazer brass at $11.99 box/$239 a case. That's a $160 difference
SGammo does have a sale for PPU $299 a case + $18 shipping. Total $317.
Meanwhile cheapest 40sw is S&B $224.80 +$22 shipping. Total $246.80 for a difference of $75 on a rare sale
And all this is just range ammo from some of the cheapest online retailers. There may be someone selling cheaper but I don't see 357 Sig being under $250 per case
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13.50 difference in price for Starline Brass 500 count. Difference in price between Berry's bullets 9mm, and 10 MM 5 dollars for 250. That leaves a difference of 3.50~~~mehhhh
Disabled1
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Does it necessarily HAVE to be by the case? Why can't it be individual boxes of say, 20 rounds or 50 rounds? There ARE those out there (.357 SIG) that ARE cheaper than .40S&W this way.
Arik
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Ok but I posted price per box as well. $19.99 for 357 Sig and $11.99 for 40. A difference of $8. The reason why it has to be by the case is because of price. It's always cheaper unless theres some sale at which case the difference is a little closer. And because it's easier to practice when you can pull a case of the shelf and had to the range
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Let's not forget that 22 lr costs even less, since our baseline seems to be price.
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There IS lower priced .357 SIG ammo out there. But, if you want the last word, by all means, go ahead. I'm done!
Arik
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That's totally fine. Please show me. I know that both Target Sports and SG are one of the cheapest. If there are others even cheaper I'd love to knowThere IS lower priced .357 SIG ammo out there. But, if you want the last word, by all means, go ahead. I'm done!
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Walmart has 9mm for less...
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True but we're comparing 40/357 sig. I can buy 9mm brass for $189 per case shipped
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You are going by a baseline strictly on price, not performance. That would include ALL lower priced calibers including .22 lr.
Now if .40 outperformed .357 in kinetic energy, or even matched we could make it about price.
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I'm talking about range ammo. Training is where most money is spent. Kinetic energy is irrelevant without training.
As far as actually kinetic energy. Depends on the manufacturer. Typically 357sig is 125gr vs 155, 165, 180gr 40sw. But if you look at some manufacturers like Underwood, who's 135gr 40sw has 588 ft-lbs from a G23 and 623 ft-lbs from G22. Even if we look at their more traditional weight 40sw 155gr at 582 ft-lbs and 180gr at 484 ft-lbs. Now, their 357 Sig 125gr has 604 ft-lbs. Just 22ft-lbs more than the 135gr 40 from a G23. They don't state the gun used to test the 357 but the 135gr from the G22 is still 623 ft-lbs, which is 19 ft-lbs more than their 357
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As far as actually kinetic energy. Depends on the manufacturer. Typically 357sig is 125gr vs 155, 165, 180gr 40sw. But if you look at some manufacturers like Underwood, who's 135gr 40sw has 588 ft-lbs from a G23 and 623 ft-lbs from G22. Even if we look at their more traditional weight 40sw 155gr at 582 ft-lbs and 180gr at 484 ft-lbs. Now, their 357 Sig 125gr has 604 ft-lbs. Just 22ft-lbs more than the 135gr 40 from a G23. They don't state the gun used to test the 357 but the 135gr from the G22 is still 623 ft-lbs, which is 19 ft-lbs more than their 357
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And officers should train with the ammo they carry. If NCHP believe that .357 sig is more effective than .40 S&W the cost is moot. If their only concern was cost they would use the cheapest caliber out there. Most departments compromise with the 9mm.
But if the dept trains with duty ammo the 9mm +P+ can be as expensive or more than the standard HP .40 loads.
What it all comes down to in the long run, is choice. The NCHP management/administrators have found a balance that they believe serves the officers, and their bottom line. That is all that really matters. Pretty much whey they drive mostly Dodge Chargers instead of a KIA.
