DID THE SINGLE STACK 9MM KILL THE CARRY REVOLVER?

[Ohsheepdog]

My answer to the thread's question is no. I love my PM9 and Smith & Wesson 39, but now that I have a snubby Model 12, I'll start putting it the rotation as well. They all serve a purpose.

 

[AZretired]

I used the term, 'either died or lost the gunfight'. Here are some examples:

1) Massad Ayoob collects many of these cases. Rich Davis, the man who invented second chance vests, took a bullet to the guts after emptying his 6 shot wheelgun at three armed thugs, hitting three of them multiple times.

2) Here's the case of Jason Hendrix (off duty, in a shopping center). He had a 5 shot S&W model 36, the suspect had a Glock 17. Hendrix shot the suspect 4 times out of five, twice hitting him in the chest, and then his gun went dry. The suspect shot Hendrix in the face, guts, arm, pelvis, and tried to execute him as he laid on the ground. Shots Fired: Palm Desert, California 03•30•1996 - Article - POLICE Magazine

3) The death of NJSP trooper Lamonaco prompted the dept. to switch from 6 shot 357 magnums to the 9 shot HK P7M8. Lamonaco was shot by environmental terrorists who wielded browning hi-powers against the trooper's 6 shot revolver.

4) The ISP switched to the S&W model 39 (8 shot 9mm). In that time period, there were at least one, if not a few, cases where troopers would have certainly died if all they had were the 6 shot wheelguns. There was one case where the suspect counted 6 shots from the trooper's pistol, and after the sixth, charged the trooper with his shotgun. The trooper shot the suspect with his last few rounds. The suspect told his attorney he swore the cop's gun was empty.

5) There's the case in California, where at least one trooper was killed after his K-frame magnum ran dry. When he took the knee to reload, the suspect executed him with a 9mm before the trooper could close the cylinder.

That's just five that I remember off hand. there are many more cases where 5-6 were not enough.

Everything you cite here is more than twenty years old. Case #5 is from the early 70's and is more of a training issue than a gun issue. The CHP officers were found with their empties in their pockets just as they did at the range. No speed loaders either.

As far a #4 goes there is also a case where ISP troopers shot a subject 18 times with their 9mm's before another trooper put him down with a shotgun.

As for the NJ State Police they were issued .38 Special RNL, not .357.

I spent 25 years in LE in New Mexico and don't know of 1 case where 6 was not enough.

 

[tlawler]

The one advantage the revolver has, especially a super light J like the 340PD, is weight. To date no 9MM has come out that is as light as this model revolver. I pocket carry b/c of back & hip problems and aside from the LCP, the 340PD (about the same weight) is my choice for EDC.

Not to mention stopping power. One or two rounds out of your 340PD has as much as an entire 7-9 round single stack nine. And you can argue "modern ammunition" all you want....357mag is king of the hill!

 

[bfdast]

I'm sorry guys but I love my revolvers and carry everywhere. Is 5 enough well I'm sure since I'm not looking for a gun fight. I'm not trying to be a hero but only to get my family and my self out of harms way. If we look at statistics then no 1 gun is enough. All those are cops correct? I'm not a cop (I'm not hating on cops I'm a firefighter and love them!!) I'm not there to save the world only myself and my family and friends. I feel 5 is enough to get the heck out of dodge. I do have a bigger gun when I go to cities but Day to day activity I have a revolver.


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[eTripper]

I doubt whether the revolver will ever be 'killed-off', so-to-speak. Just two different schools of thought, to address the same problem, that's all. Wheelies have the edge in the pure-power department, and auto-pistols with capacity. It all boils-down to personal taste, and utility.

 

[GF]

I have a few revolvers and carried a J frame on me for about 25 years.
But I put the Mod 60 away and started carrying a single stack 9 mm.
I can have more rounds in the gun and on my person than I ever could with the J frame.

I hit well with the semi-auto and reloads are beginning and the end of revolver/auto debate for me.

GF

 

[DADoser]

I'm 53 years old. I love my revolvers. Still have a model 66-2 4" barrel I bought in 1985 when I turned 21. I had been out of shooting for a couple decades. Got back into it as my children became adults and started moving out.

In January 2016, I bought an SP101 with 3" barrel (.357). Thought if I ever wanted to carry (hiking,etc.) this would be a good choice. And I always wanted one since they were introduced in '89.

January 2017, I'm at the range with a couple guys in my shooting group. I shot their Glocks - a 17 and a 42. First time I ever shot a Glock. I was hitting better with both compared to my SP101 (or my 6906).

In March 2017 I bought a Glock 43. I just started to carry more regularly a few weeks go. I carry the Glock 43. Easier to conceal/slimmer profile - even with a Pearce +1 or Vickers +2. And I'm more accurate with it. I like the trigger on it (compared to the SP101). Also, I do not want to carry anything with a barrel less than 3" for accuracy and velocity.

Even though studies show I might only need 3 rounds in a "situation" -the fact that I can go 7+1 or 8+1 is a bonus compared to the Ruger's 5.

Again, I love my 66 and my SP101 - but the Glock 43 IWB just makes more sense for me if/when I carry. Now if I'm in the desert, the SP101 OWB or my 66 in a shoulder holser might be preferred choices.

The single 9's will not replace my revolvers, but the single nine Glock 43 makes more sense for me for EDC.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

I see a lot of carry revolvers in the S&W catalog, I will soon carry a S&W 340PD.

 

[HamHands]

I've been going back and forth between CCW-ing my beloved CZ "P-01" and this 625... Both carry well in their own holster and a "BeltMan" BullHide belt with the internal stiffener. When the 625 is carried it's easy to put a full Moon Clip in each front pocket in a pair of Khaki Cargo Pants/Shorts. I certainly don't feel undergunned with the 625 either considering how easy/smooth a reload is with the moon clips. Cylinder refills are just as easy with my semi-auto's. I can't argue with the power of a 255 grain hard cast lead pill @ 1100fps either in the 625. I have been shooting these BB .45Supers for years now and it's my favorite woods carry round by far... that's quickly becoming an all around carry pistol/round as well too.

 

[zogger]

I can't make myself carry a 1911-format gun in Condition 1 either. It's either a revolver or DA/SA for me.

I agree. While a 1911 in Condition 1 is perfectly safe, I "feel" better with a revolver or a DA/SA semi-auto.

 

[digiroc]

While I prefer a revolver as my primary carry, I like to back it up with a trusted semi-auto.

340 Pro Series and 360 PD AirLite

My J frames are preferred when concealability is my paramount concern. but I also have a 547 in 9mm that carries well ISWB Appendix carry at the 2:00 position.

K frame 547 3" heavy barrel

The 547 weighs more than the J frames and is a bit bulkier but points very well, and is a great instinctive shooter. It would definitely be what I would want to have in hand in any self defense situation.

But I would also like to have a semi-auto to back it up if 6 is not enough to settle things. Reloading a revolver in a gunfight is a good way to get shot so I rely on a NY reload if things ever get that bad.

547 & 915 when "going heavy"

360 AirLite and 3914 DAO when "going light"

Of course there are times that a single weapon is all I choose to carry and in those instances I'll likely go with a semi-auto. The Black Pearl has become a favorite:

4516 Custom Carry Melted and Melonited

With this .45 and one spare mag I feel quite prepared for whatever I am confronted with. Other semi's I'm comfortable with are my 457 set up just like the Black Pearl with Big Dot combat sights and my 3914 DAO, also equipped with Big Dots:

3914 DAO w/ Boker auto opener.

So in my case the single stack semi-auto has not replaced my wheel guns as primary carry, but they have added to it and enhanced my ability to defend myself and loved ones from the evil that exists out there.

digiroc

Shoot Well My Friends

 

[Triggernosis]

^^^ Who would have known that digiroc keeps his fingernails so pretty.

 

[digiroc]

And my toenails match, so you can see why I feel the need to arm myself.

 

[GT_80]

I typically carry my 637 airweight over a single stack 9mm only because it's more comfortable. I can go either way on this, but I really like revolvers.

 

[Chukar60]

Next time you go into your favorite LGS look at the handgun display. Unless you are in some alternate universe the number of semi autos on display vs the number of revolvers is huge.
The reason is simple. They dedicate display space proportionally to what is selling the best.
I am still a wheel gun fan and that is my preference. But the fact that semi autos dominate the market is obvious.

 

[ladder13]

It definitely put it on the ropes, though I think the LCP sized guns were a bigger factor.

Most likely this ^^^^^^^ I picked up a Kahr 380 and it replaced my 38-3 for summer use. I wear shorts and T's as much as the weather allows.
The CW 380 is light, flat, has a terrific revolver like trigger, and no safety to fumble with. Hides better than any of my J's

Carry what you will, it's still a great country.

 

[Kifaru]

I was this close to taking advantage of the Walther $100 rebate on the PPS M2, one of the best single stack 9mm available IMO. For around 300 bones, why not? Well, because I decided that a single stack isn't enough of an improvement over a J-Frame to commit to a whole new platform. I'm not interested in bringing criminals to justice; I just need something to give me a little running room if need be. Most of the time, a J-Frame should suffice. And if not, a single stack isn't going to fare much better.

I sometimes carry a Sig P250 sc with 12+1 rounds on board, more than twice my model 64, and more than 2.5 times the payload of my .38 J-Frames. I rarely carry it, though. Lately I've been thinking that if I'm going to a place where a J-Frame may not be enough, do I really need to go in the first place? The answer, 99% of the time, is no.

 

[DD357]

Who makes those holsters digiroc?

 

[prairieviper]

I think that revolvers still have a place and aren't going anywhere but also believe that most people, especially those new to shooting, wanting a concealed carry handgun will choose a semi-auto. The reasons are many and have been repeated often.

I love my revolvers but for EDC, I prefer my SIG P938 over my S&W J frame. The SIG is flatter and just easier for me to conceal in my pocket carry holster. The same is true of carrying an extra magazine with six rounds as opposed to a speedloader with five or fumbling with a speed strip. The SIG has better sights and they are night sights to boot. The SIG is flawless (1800 + rounds with nary a hiccup) and super accurate. I can shoot it as well as my full size handguns out to fifteen yards. I could never do that with my J frame. I enjoy shooting 50-100 rounds at the range with the P938. I can't say that for the J frame unless I am using some of my own very light loaded reloads. Lastly, I like 1911's and the P938 is much like a mini 1911.

All of that said, my main range gun is my S&W 617. I visit the indoor range where I am a member about twice and week and when I look at what others are shooting or bringing to their concealed carry class, there just aren't many revolvers.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

My wife objects to guns that "shoot back." A semiautomatic is right out as far as she's concerned. This is her "little gun for my wife."

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