Safety or No Safety?

[Arik]

A manual safety doesn't add all that much to the process. How many of us here have to think about stepping on the brake before shifting into gear? How many of us drive a manual transmission, either a bike or a car? Do they have to think about shifting gears, or do they just do it? .

All that came with practice.....lots of practice! Every day with repetition. When I first started driving stick I'd forget to take it out of neutral when the light turned green. Muscle memory was for an auto so I'd just give it gas which would rev the engine while I'm panicking thinking my car broke down then a sudden....DUH... stick!!!! Eventually clutch and stick came naturally. But you practice that more than anything else. How many times in your trip do you hit the breaks or the clutch and shifter? A lot! I'll try to remember to count on Monday when I go to work but I bet it's several hundred times. Now....how often does one practice drawing and disengaging the safety? No where near as much

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[kbm6893]

All that came with practice.....lots of practice! Every day with repetition. When I first started driving stick I'd forget to take it out of neutral when the light turned green. Muscle memory was for an auto so I'd just give it gas which would rev the engine while I'm panicking thinking my car broke down then a sudden....DUH... stick!!!! Eventually clutch and stick came naturally. But you practice that more than anything else. How many times in your trip do you hit the breaks or the clutch and shifter? A lot! I'll try to remember to count on Monday when I go to work but I bet it's several hundred times. Now....how often does one practice drawing and disengaging the safety? No where near as much

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You're quoting Glock's sales pitch. "No need to practice. Just point and squeeze".

Call me crazy, but I guess I think that those who choose to carry a deadly weapon should actually spend some time practicing with it. 10 minutes a night is several hundred times a week. Over 1000 a month. Totally intuitive to me now.

 

[Arik]

You're quoting Glock's sales pitch. "No need to practice. Just point and squeeze".

Call me crazy, but I guess I think that those who choose to carry a deadly weapon should actually spend some time practicing with it. 10 minutes a night is several hundred times a week. Over 1000 a month. Totally intuitive to me now.

I don't know what their sales pitch is. I do carry a Glock but I also practice constantly. Take classes and outside of that I do about half a case a week in ammo, not counting drawing and dry firing at home. However, honestly.....how often do you think an avg gun owner practices especially with a safety?

Exactly..."point and squeeze". No need to add extra. After all you could be even safer and carry safety on without a round chambered....all you'd need is practice. Or no mag in the gun.... just practice inserting the gun, racking the slide and taking the safety off!

Why add extra steps?

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[Mister X]

The manual transmission/manual safety analogy is only relatively accurate in terms of everyday carry and range time. For a fair comparison, we need proper context and would have to figure in operating the vehicle in a similar environment in which an armed civilian might have to use their weapon, so how well might a given individual operate a manual transmission with a violent assailant sitting in the passenger seat or coming through the drivers side window a la Michael Brown trying to punch, stab, shoot them or attempting to grab the shifter.

 

[Ranger514]

Just my personal opinion, but a DAO sub compact would solve the OP's issue nicely. I normally carry a 9mm Sig P290 RS with an 8-round extended magazine. I keep one of the standard 6-round mags handy in a pocket.

 

[MylesTN]

I appreciated the ambi thumb safety on my M&P 9 as I felt comfortable with it unholstered in a night stand drawer with a round chambered and the thumb safety engaged.

 

[kbm6893]

I don't know what their sales pitch is. I do carry a Glock but I also practice constantly. Take classes and outside of that I do about half a case a week in ammo, not counting drawing and dry firing at home. However, honestly.....how often do you think an avg gun owner practices especially with a safety?

Exactly..."point and squeeze". No need to add extra. After all you could be even safer and carry safety on without a round chambered....all you'd need is practice. Or no mag in the gun.... just practice inserting the gun, racking the slide and taking the safety off!

Why add extra steps?

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Inserting a mag and chambering a round requires two hands. Disengaging the safety requires one. Big difference.

And Glock does market their product as being "simple". "No safety lever to fumble with". " no different trigger pull". They literally market their product to those who don't want to spend any time practicing.

Again, Glock Leg didn't come from nowhere.

And please don't compare a revolver or DAO pistol without a safety to a Glock or other similar weapon. When revolvers or DAO pistols have a 5.5 pound trigger then maybe you'll have a point.

 

[Chubbo]

Confused Yet?

I'm new, so forgive me if this is an old topic (figure it has to be but tried looking & came up empty).

For concealed carry, all the prevailing wisdom seems to point to not bothering with a safety and carrying a topped-off mag with a chambered round.

For a newbie like me, can someone tell me if and when a safety is even desirable?

Thanks for any input.

Polaris210:
You asked for input. Well, with the proliferation of genuine good input that you'v received, and you ain't confused yet, you are incapable of being confused. Well, I'll throw in some of my "bull spit" to help. Without knowing how, and how much, you will be training, the inherent safety of a revolver can't be beat. If a pistol is a choice you won't deviate from, you might want to consider one of the very best concealed carry pistols made, the ultra small L. W. Seecamp pistols. They are double action only, with no safety at all. I am never concerned about safety while caring mine, or my . J frame, S&W revolvers. I am not opposed to carrying one of my S&W "Lemon Squeezers" occasionally ether, but they do have a "grip safety". Now we can sit back, and listen to The virtues of Big bore, versus. small bore, etc.
Hope this "helps/ confuses"?. OBW, this is the Concealed Cary weapon that I carry the most.

Chubbo

 

[Arik]

Inserting a mag and chambering a round requires two hands. Disengaging the safety requires one. Big difference.

And Glock does market their product as being "simple". "No safety lever to fumble with". " no different trigger pull". They literally market their product to those who don't want to spend any time practicing with.

Again, Glock Leg didn't come from nowhere.

No safety lever no different trigger pull. I called that consistency. Everything is the same from beginning to end. I carry the same gun 24/7 365 because of consistency. Nothing changes everything is the same there are no surprises there's nothing extra to remember or practice. It's borring but borring works.

Yes ....tow hands. I do two hand grip. If you feel that uncomfortable you my as well bring up a magazine with the second hand.

Glock lags don't come from nowhere but I've also seen a Glock leg with a 1911. It's on YouTube, check it out. If you don't want to invest in the holster and proper training that's what you get. Most people buy the gun and buy the cheapest crappiest holster they can find. That has nothing to do with the gun that's due to user

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[Arik]

I appreciated the ambi thumb safety on my M&P 9 as I felt comfortable with it unholstered in a night stand drawer with a round chambered and the thumb safety engaged.

Why? It can't go off sitting on the night stand all by itself! What makes it more "comfortable" aside from feelings ...which can't be measured or quantified

Do you have knives on safeties at night? They are just as likely to hurt you as that M&P!

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[s&wchad]

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