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The trigger pivot pin- just behind the serial no on the left side, and the "Model 41" on the right side? That should slide back and forth?? Didn't expect that at all.....
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The trigger pivot pin- just behind the serial no on the left side, and the "Model 41" on the right side? That should slide back and forth?? Didn't expect that at all.....
Yes, that one.A pin that held in the gun just by the tension applied by the trigger and it's spring,I believe, not because it's a tight punch fit in the frame.If I'm wrong,someone please correct me.(I'm old! I might be thinking about the trigger guard pivot pin.I remember finding one of them shifted over, and it just took a little push to put it back where it belonged)
I'm thinking that it's not something out of adjustment as suggested in a few of the posts, as this was a gun that functioned fine, until it eventually didn't for you. Not like the previous poster's gun that arrived out of adjustment,due to the previous owner doing too much.
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Ed Fowler
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My Mod 41 did the same thing after thousands of rounds, I took off the grips, soaked the action in alcohol, then blew it out with my air compressor, next a little break free and blew out the excess with the compressor and no more problems. Very simple fix for me.
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Well, I think the trigger pivot pin is in quite tight... but I do know that the action was quite dirty as you can see from the photo. I have a friend with a compressor... I'll see him on Sunday most likley, then get to work. Thanks for all the tips!! I'll let you know!! Need to get hold of a few tools obviously....
Camster: I'm thinking that it's not something out of adjustment as suggested in a few of the posts, as this was a gun that functioned fine, until it eventually didn't for you.
You're right- this gun has functioned very well- no complaints at all since I bought it a year and a half ago. Then suddenly this. Even the rear sight needed no adjustment- I haven't messed with it at all. I have alsways had the opinion, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
Cheers,
RShaw
Camster: I'm thinking that it's not something out of adjustment as suggested in a few of the posts, as this was a gun that functioned fine, until it eventually didn't for you.
You're right- this gun has functioned very well- no complaints at all since I bought it a year and a half ago. Then suddenly this. Even the rear sight needed no adjustment- I haven't messed with it at all. I have alsways had the opinion, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
Cheers,
RShaw
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The pin that moves easily is the barrel locking pawl pivot pin.
Did you pull the grips off and have a look at what was happening with the trigger bar ??
Even with no magazine inserted, the trigger operates with FULL MOVEMENT, so it is easy to see what is going on.
The only difference is that the trigger bar is not engaged with the little tab on the sear.
Did you pull the grips off and have a look at what was happening with the trigger bar ??
Even with no magazine inserted, the trigger operates with FULL MOVEMENT, so it is easy to see what is going on.
The only difference is that the trigger bar is not engaged with the little tab on the sear.
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RShaw
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I bought a used model 41 and had the same issues as you-sometimes the gun would not fire, pulling the trigger I would feel no movement, then sometimes it would fire a few rounds.
I discovered the trigger stop was adjusted out too far-right at the edge of function. I screwed it in a little bit and the trigger was fine after that
Thanks Ed, Nedlate
I did not see your entry earlier than now. Are you talking about the trigger adjustment screw- at the foot of the trigger guard when the guard is open- needs to be adjusted with a tiny hex wrench?
Thank you....
I discovered the trigger stop was adjusted out too far-right at the edge of function. I screwed it in a little bit and the trigger was fine after that
Thanks Ed, Nedlate
I did not see your entry earlier than now. Are you talking about the trigger adjustment screw- at the foot of the trigger guard when the guard is open- needs to be adjusted with a tiny hex wrench?
Thank you....
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RShaw
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Hi All,
I took the grips off and sprayed the action with a citrus-based degreaser, then let it sit for 5 minutes, after which I poured very hot water over the action to remove the debreaser (It's water soluble). Then placed the gun in the oven at 50 degC (113 deg F) - not quite hot enough to burn one's skin- for 30 minutes) to get rid of any water / moisture still present in the action.
Then placed a light coating of gun oil on the trigger bar, safety and other inner workings to protect from rust.
Today the gun was difficult at first, then suddenly behaved like normal- light trigger pull- firing every time. 50 rounds were fired, every so often the trigger felt heavy, but still fired. With 2 rounds, gun would not fire, but after releaseing the trigger and pulling again, the gun did fire.
So it's better than it was before.... for the time being I will clean the barrel, breech and firing pin port only, I'm leaving the action alone for now. After earlier adjustment of the trigger adjustment screw, Nedlate, that factor seems to have improved things too.
Likely a "gumming effect, as suggested by Camster..... perhaps another "purging, together with compressed air will drive out any other dust and dirt still hanging around- if the trigger continues to stick after this.
Thanks for all the interest and suggestions!!
Cheers,
RShaw
I took the grips off and sprayed the action with a citrus-based degreaser, then let it sit for 5 minutes, after which I poured very hot water over the action to remove the debreaser (It's water soluble). Then placed the gun in the oven at 50 degC (113 deg F) - not quite hot enough to burn one's skin- for 30 minutes) to get rid of any water / moisture still present in the action.
Then placed a light coating of gun oil on the trigger bar, safety and other inner workings to protect from rust.
Today the gun was difficult at first, then suddenly behaved like normal- light trigger pull- firing every time. 50 rounds were fired, every so often the trigger felt heavy, but still fired. With 2 rounds, gun would not fire, but after releaseing the trigger and pulling again, the gun did fire.
So it's better than it was before.... for the time being I will clean the barrel, breech and firing pin port only, I'm leaving the action alone for now. After earlier adjustment of the trigger adjustment screw, Nedlate, that factor seems to have improved things too.
Likely a "gumming effect, as suggested by Camster..... perhaps another "purging, together with compressed air will drive out any other dust and dirt still hanging around- if the trigger continues to stick after this.
Thanks for all the interest and suggestions!!
Cheers,
RShaw
Ed Fowler
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Don't forget the compressed air, even a can of dust off may work or you just leave what ever may be causing the problem in the action. If you have a tire store around, they may let you use their compressed air or do it for you. It sounds like you are on the right track.
Good Luck
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RShaw
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Remember to oil just a wee bit along both slides and a drop or so down where the safety is placed on the inside of the outside of it. Move it back and forth a few times to engage and release a few times as well. Hopefully this will resolve any further issues with this gun.
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Remember to oil just a wee bit along both slides and a drop or so down where the safety is placed on the inside of the outside of it. Move it back and forth a few times to engage and release a few times as well.
Thanks!!
I did just that when adding just a bit of oil (Ballistol) into the action- I don't want to drown it though. The safety is still tight, but it is much easier to move back and forth than it was earlier.
Only other thing is to get some lube in where the trigger pivot bar goes through... The trigger pull was sometimes rather stiff, and other times lighter. Must be some dirt still in there.
I'm learning..... THANKS!!
Thanks!!
I did just that when adding just a bit of oil (Ballistol) into the action- I don't want to drown it though. The safety is still tight, but it is much easier to move back and forth than it was earlier.
Only other thing is to get some lube in where the trigger pivot bar goes through... The trigger pull was sometimes rather stiff, and other times lighter. Must be some dirt still in there.
I'm learning..... THANKS!!
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RShaw
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Hi All,
A short update,
After that cleaning described above, the trigger seems to be virtually normal now. No problems with about 50 rounds. Trigger pull is as it was before- fairly light- so no adjustments have been made to the trigger adjustment lever at all. Must have been dirt and metal shavings in there that have now been removed. I will give that area one last clean and a light oil lube as I did before to the action. Still looked a little dirty in there.
Thanks for all the suggestions!!
A short update,
After that cleaning described above, the trigger seems to be virtually normal now. No problems with about 50 rounds. Trigger pull is as it was before- fairly light- so no adjustments have been made to the trigger adjustment lever at all. Must have been dirt and metal shavings in there that have now been removed. I will give that area one last clean and a light oil lube as I did before to the action. Still looked a little dirty in there.
Thanks for all the suggestions!!
Thats what we are all here for is to help one another when we can. These are a very special pistol which can out shoot most of us on here. We are all lucky to have them. You should be able to dial the trigger down to around 2.5lbs with that small screw behind the trigger as well.
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RShaw
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A short update-
After that last cleaning, trigger is 98% back to where it was before. Sometimes when changing to a new mag, the first shot seems to have a heavier than normal trigger pull; after that it fires very well.
Think I'll let well enough alone for now.
Great gun the 41!
After that last cleaning, trigger is 98% back to where it was before. Sometimes when changing to a new mag, the first shot seems to have a heavier than normal trigger pull; after that it fires very well.
Think I'll let well enough alone for now.
Great gun the 41!
If it does it with the same magazine, I'd either look at that magazine to see what's different, or just replace it with another. It's most likely related to the magazine safety disconnect. You can still buy new magazines for the 41 at very reasonable rates, although they have plastic followers instead of steel (which I've never found to be a deterrent).
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