Model 929 from the Preformance Centre

[argon18smith]

Received one the other day and have since put 400 rounds through it. This gun is fun to shoot. D/A is easy so didn't bother with much S/A. Point of aim is point of impact out of the box. The front sight is black and I may change it to orange like the rest of the revolvers. Moonclips are not an issue once you get the hang of it and speed loading is fast. A very enjoyable gun to shoot. I am definitely looking forward to the next day at the range. Weather should be good for the next week.

 

[RGVshooter]

You're killin' me... I want one so bad... I'm going back to revolver as my EDC & USPSA/IDPA gun

 

[argon18smith]

I was at the range the other day and noticed some of the moonclips took some persuading to eject. I use about 8 different types of brass (I reload), one of them being nickel coated. I experimented and found that if I use all Winchester brass (nickel coated or regular) I would have to take a soft-faced hammer to eject them. Not a problem with the rest of the brass.
Has anyone experienced my problem? My next step will be to put more of a crimp when reloading. The loaded moonclips fall easily into the cylinder when being loaded so I am surmising the mouth of the case is expanding when fired and putting a lot of pressure against the cylinder wall. My reloads are light, about halfway between min and max. Could it have something to do with the thickness of the moonclips where the thin ones allow the brass to move around a lot? Any help would be appreciated.

 

[old&slow]

When I had my 929 , it preferred Winchester brass. I used Revolver Supply moon clips. Federal Primers and 147 gr. bullets.
I did notice that with plated bullets, they would some times creep and move out a few thousands. Since the 929 doesn't head space on mouth I added a thousand or two of crimp. Did not notice this bullet creep/ jump with coated bullets.
The 9mm loads that I used, chrono out of my 4" & 5" autos at about 950 fps, and only a little over 850 fps out of the 929.
Nice gun , kind of wish I hadn't got rid of it. Might have to get me another one of these day..
Replaced it with a 8 shot 627 Pro series which I really like too.

 

[Macinaw]

Smart choice. I have been shooting mine in USPSA competition for almost two years.

 

[zogger]

Try some of the EZ Moon clips that are polymer. I use them for range shooting and they work very well.

 

[sw282]

Sad the 9MM Federal ammo didn't fly.. Those pesky Moon clips would be just a bad dream

 

[Protocall_Design]

Funny how some people don't like loading moon clips but will load semi-auto magazines forever without a thought.

 

[Lou_the_welder]

.....and I only use Winchester brass in my 929/986s. I can't imagine why they wouldn't eject right, if they weren't hot loads or sized incorrectly?

Flatten the primers much?!


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[sw282]

Funny how some people don't like loading moon clips but will load semi-auto magazines forever without a thought.

That's why l don't own or shoot a bottom feeder

 

[argon18smith]

My bad guys. Did a super cleaning of the cylinder and testing at the range this morning showed that was the problem. All ejections were good. My other revolvers are not that particular with "super" cleaning. I did notice some of the moonclips were snug going in, one wouldn't go in all the way and I found that one of the casings was bulged at the bottom. I have heard other shooters mentioning something about watching out for this. I will have to read up more about how this happens.

 

[old&slow]

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Flatten the primers much?!


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The load I was using wasn't that hot. But out of the 929 it flatten the federal primer like they were loaded to the max. ( same load out of my auto showed no signs of pressure or flat primers.

Tools to moon and de-moon the moon clips just makes life A Lot easier. I use a screwdriver tube type de-mooner and a 'mooncliptool.com' tool to load the moon clips. I also had enough moon clips loaded to shoot the whole match plus.. Hated and never messed with loading moonclips during the match.. Concentrate on shooting not messing around with moonclips.

I also read don't go crazy scrubbing the heck out of the cylinder with a wire brush ,, there is supposely some sort of coating on the cylinder ,,??

 

[Lou_the_welder]

The dots were representative of a long sermon I chose to mentally cut off,of a truly flawless, unproblematic 929. Of which I own.

"Flatten primers much" meant to indicate to the op , that I would look at brass expansion; or anything related.

I wasn't the original post. But all things being equal; gun tolerances can be unequal. And I'm sure no one has had the smooth sailing with moonclips choice and load with brass as I've had.

So. Last night I was sorting out a box of 200 9mms I use in the revolvers only. (The autos get once fired 9mm mixed brass. Federal. American. Foochi. Remington. Winchester. ) and I saw that I had run out of primers mid-batch....cci's and Winchester. The Winchester were flattened. The cci's were fine. But I know from experience, the Winchester were hotter. All loaded on a progressive. All same OAL. All the same powder. ..

Hmm.

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Sorry. Post #13 is in response to post #12-old&slow. Still learning on this new gadget and can't figure operating it correctly.

 

[Qc Pistolero]

Funny how some people don't like loading moon clips but will load semi-auto magazines forever without a thought.

And then have to go chicken dancing to recover the brass!
Qc

 

[robert1804]

Starline is the only brass I've had sticky ejection with.

Bullet creep can be problem in any 9mm revolver. proper case tension is more effective than crimping to prevent creep (and set-back in auto loaders). Try sanding and polishing about .0015" from an M type expander plug.

I've had my 929 for a few months. I don't compete, just use it for range and plinking. Any ammo I've loaded for my autos that didn't perform well get mooned up and run through the 929. Loading for the 929 is fun. I can use up tons of bullets that haven't been accurate in the autos, too. It shoots all the 9mm "junk" bullets and loaded rounds well enough to walk up and down the dueling tree just fine. Plus ammo worked up specifically for the 929 is giving target groupings inside of 3" at 25 yards which is good enough.

 

[H Richard]

Adjusting your die for about .003" case neck taper crimp normally ends any bullet creep/jump. I routinely put this much crimp on all my 9mm (and .45) loads and get more consistent burning and tighter grouping.

 

[Barrie]

OLd and slow, I also just purchased a model 627 myself and have fired it twice. It was completely set on target when I removed it out of the box. I love the really fine trigger action on it. Just as smooth as glass.

 

[browndog2]

Argon,
My 929 had issues with ejecting spent clips.
I got many suggestions from this forum and I tried most of them.
Turns out when I changed to a slower burning powder, the ejection issues stopped. No matter how soft I loaded winchester brass with 147gr plated hps with Titegroup, the brass stuck. When I changed to Power Pistol no problems. (I was loading for bowling pin shooting, so I wanted a bigger bullet going a little faster than normal - works fine on the pins now)

 

[RGVshooter]

I was at the range the other day and noticed some of the moonclips took some persuading to eject.

Well if you're using reloads, the rims of the cases do get deformed slightly after use. Nicks develop, things happen such as discovering that some cases may get stuck on the moon clip or in the chamber. You may have to experiment a bit more with your crimps. What i do is sent my crimp just enough to leave a thin shiny ring around the edge of the case. I've seen cases that had too much crimp get stuck in chambers so you don't want to go too far.

 

[Starion VR4]

Ok gentlemen, I use my gun for Competition IPSC, few things I have found..
1) only use brass fires from new in the 929, Starline is my choice,
2) Moonclips .025" thick
3) 147Gr Projectile
4) ADI Powder AP70 ( Slow Burn) 2.9-3.1 gr any more & they expand the case to much & stick in the Cylinder
5) Federal Primers & adjust the Main Spring back to suit.

This setup works well, the Cylinder doesn't have a special coating in it, it is just titanium. The 929 is a fantastic gun & needs a special diet for reliable competition use.