M&P15 & Wolf Gold

[Florida J Frame]

Is there any real information about the Advisory from Wolf Ammo and the M&P-15? Are they just being overly cautious or is there really a problem? Seems like we would have heard something by now.

 

[sgtsandman]

M&P15 & Wolf Gold

Content edited for incorrect content and information. If really curious as to what might be, see WVSig's reply to me.

 

[Pisgah]

The only thing that seems clear is that Wolf feels there is an out-of-battery firing problem with the M&P15 -- and judging from the increasing reports of such that I have seen I would say they might be right. An AR should not fire out of battery, period, regardless of the brand of ammo being used.

BTW, Wolf Gold is brass-cased ammo...

 

[WVSig]

In general, forearms manufacturers try to shy their customers away from steel cased and bi-metal ammo. It's more of a CYA on their part since numerous people have successfully used such ammo for quite some time.

That being said (this is my opinion. Many will have different ones) unless the firearm was designed with metal cased or bi-metal ammunition in mind, I would steer away from it. AK's were designed for such ammo. ARs, not so much. And I would most definitely not run steel ammo in a bolt rifle since their chambers tend to be kept at higher tolerances than a semiautomatic.

Wolf Gold is brass cased and does not have a bi-metal projectile.

Wolf issued a warning about the M&P15 and out of battery discharges. Might want to look it up before posting. The number of reports of possible out of battery firings from M&P15s is higher than any other brand on on the market. IMHO

 

[sgtsandman]

M&P15 & Wolf Gold

Wolf Gold is brass cased and does not have a bi-metal projectile. [emoji782]

Wolf issued a warning about the M&P15 and out of battery discharges. Might want to look it up before posting. The number of reports of possible out of battery firings from M&P15s is higher than any other brand on on the market. IMHO

And I stand corrected. I assumed and was wrong. Thank you for the correction.

EDIT: One of the nice things about this forum in general is that it self regulates and keeps the info straight.


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[Florida J Frame]

I just contacted S&W via chat and the rep told me he could not comment on the Wolf Advisory. He said there is no official statement regarding it.

 

[Arik]

I just wanted to add that despite persistent internet comments about steel case and AKs or rifles designed for steel cases....The AK was NEVER designed for any specific cases they just made it to function in the harshest conditions assuming the lowest common denominator user. This meant that you just make parts out of quality materials.

Also, many steel cases are actually softer than brass

Wolf is not a Russian company it's a California import company. They have ammo manufacturers make ammo for them. At one point Wolf was simply rebranded Tula. Wolf Gold was made by PPU at one point and now made in the Philippines

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[Florida J Frame]

Wolf Gold is not steel. It's brass cased ammo.

 

[Rastoff]

Also, many steel cases are actually softer than brass

Um, what? Can you back that up or are you just speculating?

Maybe you meant to say that steel doesn't cause more wear than brass?

 

[Arik]

Um, what? Can you back that up or are you just speculating?

Maybe you meant to say that steel doesn't cause more wear than brass?

No. When it comes to actually testing the hardness a lot of brass is stronger/harder than the steel case.

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[Rastoff]

Without some kind of source for that info, I'm finding that hard to believe. Every resource I can find says steel is harder than brass. Brass is more elastic and therefore, more desirable for cartridge casings, but it's not harder than steel.

Again, please post the info backing this up. We all want to learn.

 

[cyphertext]

Without some kind of source for that info, I'm finding that hard to believe. Every resource I can find says steel is harder than brass. Brass is more elastic and therefore, more desirable for cartridge casings, but it's not harder than steel.

Again, please post the info backing this up. We all want to learn.

4:57 on the video is the testing...

Debunking the Myth: Steel is NOT harder than Brass *(On your operating parts) - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog

 

[Arik]

4:57 on the video is the testing...

Debunking the Myth: Steel is NOT harder than Brass *(On your operating parts) - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog

Been looking for that

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[Arik]

Without some kind of source for that info, I'm finding that hard to believe. Every resource I can find says steel is harder than brass. Brass is more elastic and therefore, more desirable for cartridge casings, but it's not harder than steel.

Again, please post the info backing this up. We all want to learn.

4:57 on the video is the testing...

Debunking the Myth: Steel is NOT harder than Brass *(On your operating parts) - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog

Was trying to find this video

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[BlueOvalBandit]

Without some kind of source for that info, I'm finding that hard to believe. Every resource I can find says steel is harder than brass. Brass is more elastic and therefore, more desirable for cartridge casings, but it's not harder than steel.

Again, please post the info backing this up. We all want to learn.

It can be.... While I don't know the exact alloys we'll start here with these 2. Brass can be heat treated through a pretty wide range which is why we can have a differing hardness spectrum across the entire case from a dead soft mouth to a hard case head.

C2600 cartridge brass vickers hardness of about 90-160. We're skipping the hardened brass.
http://www.fcht.com.tw/english/AlloyGuideEng.pdf

1018 mild steel vickers hardness of 131
AISI 1018 Steel, cold drawn


Also I thought we went down this rabbit hole a couple months ago regarding wolf gold, M&P15s, and "OOB" firings

Here you go OP

Wolf Ammo Advisory for M&P rifles

 

[Florida J Frame]

This thread really went off the tracks. It has nothing to do with steel ammo, however, if Wolf is correct and the rifle has an OOB problem would changing out the bolt group for a higher quality assembly eliminate the issue?

 

[cyphertext]

This thread really went off the tracks. It has nothing to do with steel ammo, however, if Wolf is correct and the rifle has an OOB problem would changing out the bolt group for a higher quality assembly eliminate the issue?

What "higher quality assembly" would you change it to? Do you know who builds the BCG used by Smith today? Back when I bought my Sport I, I was told the BCG was made by Microbest. Unless something has changed, the quality of the BCG shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Arik]

What "higher quality assembly" would you change it to? Do you know who builds the BCG used by Smith today? Back when I bought my Sport I, I was told the BCG was made by Microbest. Unless something has changed, the quality of the BCG shouldn't be an issue.

But is it Microbest?

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[Florida J Frame]

Who is Microbest?

 

[cyphertext]

But is it Microbest?

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Mine is, can't speak for what is in them today. And that is the problem with Wolf's advisory... it is too broad. Is it S&W across the board, or is it with a particular model, or within a range of serial numbers?

And what if there is damage due to an overcharge, but it does damage the chamber and barrel because it was in battery? Seems like there needs to be more info...