Home Invasion Prevention Suggestions

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Before I pose my question, I apologize for the length of this preface, but feel a background explanation’s in order. Further, I wasn’t quite sure which forum to place it in (did the preface re: home invasion take precedence, or did the issue re: ammunition for the 460V to deal with this situation take it), and after some debate – I just took a SWAG, and posted it in the ammunition forum. I’ve reprinted my original question here . . .
My wife and I are admittedly elderly. Further, we’re both physically challenged. We don’t live in town, but rather out in the county. We’ve also been the intended victims of a home invasion on 2 separate occasions, both thwarted by sheer bluff.
The 1st occasion involved a man pounding on our front door demanding entrance. I have a shotgun, but it was in a closet upstairs. I told the intended intruder that I had it in hand, that I was aiming it at the door, that I was going to begin counting, and when I got to my “magic number” I was going to fire, blowing a hole in the door, and possibly in him, as well, should he remain standing there. I began counting, and when I looked thru the peep-hole in the door, he was running across the yard to the street – problem alleviated.
The 2nd occasion involved a man standing on our garage roof looking into my study window. Upon seeing him, my wife screamed. I pulled a junk/non-functional Colt 1911 from my bookcase, and held it up for him to see. He did, and went off of the roof in record time. By the time I got downstairs, and out thru the garage, he had gotten into his pickup truck, and was barreling down the street – again, problem alleviated. Running after this would-be intruder wasn’t the best idea, especially with a gun that’s never going to work again – it’s just a fancy rock.
After this 2nd occasion, we summoned the state police. They recommended that we obtain “easily handled”, weapons – handguns, and undergo the training for those guns. We did, and we have. She has a S&W Lady Smith .38 revolver, we “share” a Taurus Judge (loaded with .410 defense shells) (we wanted a S&W Governor, but the store didn’t have any), and I have a S&W 460V revolver (which hasn’t been fired as yet). Research revealed that a large gun with a lighter-load’s optimum for such situations – allowing for less recoil, less resultant muzzle flip, and thus quicker site reacquisition. Therefore, I have no plans to shoot S&W 460 Mag ammunition in this gun. Instead, I plan on shooting .45 Long Colt ammunition.
Now, to my question – while I’d prefer to shoot ammunition with the Honey Badger bullet, I don’t believe that said bullet’s available in .45 LC ammunition. I don’t want to shoot bare lead (cleaning issues . . .), but would rather stick to jacketed/coated bullets, or even solid copper, or some other material. I’d greatly appreciate any constructive recommendations from the members herein. Thx. . .
 
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Before I pose my question, I apologize for the length of this preface, but feel a background explanation’s in order. Further, I wasn’t quite sure which forum to place it in (did the preface re: home invasion take precedence, or did the issue re: ammunition for the 460V to deal with this situation take it), and after some debate – I just took a SWAG, and posted it in the ammunition forum. I’ve reprinted my original question here . . .

My wife and I are admittedly elderly. Further, we’re both physically challenged. We don’t live in town, but rather out in the county. We’ve also been the intended victims of a home invasion on 2 separate occasions, both thwarted by sheer bluff.

The 1st occasion involved a man pounding on our front door demanding entrance. I have a shotgun, but it was in a closet upstairs. I told the intended intruder that I had it in hand, that I was aiming it at the door, that I was going to begin counting, and when I got to my “magic number” I was going to fire, blowing a hole in the door, and possibly in him, as well, should he remain standing there. I began counting, and when I looked thru the peep-hole in the door, he was running across the yard to the street – problem alleviated.

The 2nd occasion involved a man standing on our garage roof looking into my study window. Upon seeing him, my wife screamed. I pulled a junk/non-functional Colt 1911 from my bookcase, and held it up for him to see. He did, and went off of the roof in record time. By the time I got downstairs, and out thru the garage, he had gotten into his pickup truck, and was barreling down the street – again, problem alleviated. Running after this would-be intruder wasn’t the best idea, especially with a gun that’s never going to work again – it’s just a fancy rock.

After this 2nd occasion, we summoned the state police. They recommended that we obtain “easily handled”, weapons – handguns, and undergo the training for those guns. We did, and we have. She has a S&W Lady Smith .38 revolver, we “share” a Taurus Judge (loaded with .410 defense shells) (we wanted a S&W Governor, but the store didn’t have any), and I have a S&W 460V revolver (which hasn’t been fired as yet). Research revealed that a large gun with a lighter-load’s optimum for such situations – allowing for less recoil, less resultant muzzle flip, and thus quicker site reacquisition. Therefore, I have no plans to shoot S&W 460 Mag ammunition in this gun. Instead, I plan on shooting .45 Long Colt ammunition.

Now, to my question – while I’d prefer to shoot ammunition with the Honey Badger bullet, I don’t believe that said bullet’s available in .45 LC ammunition. I don’t want to shoot bare lead (cleaning issues . . .), but would rather stick to jacketed/coated bullets, or even solid copper, or some other material.

I’d greatly appreciate any constructive recommendations from the members herein. Thx. . .

The first thing that popped into my mind when I read your post was good door/window locks and a large dog. No sarcasm intended. Seems like you’ve got the weapon side covered pretty well.

May just be a geographic thing, but I’ve always considered a home invasion to be done by multiple people forcing themselves into your house when they know you’re home because you’re the target. No knocking or peering in windows.
 
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I'm in the city, so consider your circumstances accordingly.
You've spoken with the police, purchase and practiced with
weapons. Maybe some motion activated lighting, possibly
cameras. If the locals perceive you as a "target", change
the perception. I like the idea of the dog. Home invaders
are often cowards. Bright lights and confrontation isn't what
they're looking for.
 
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My alarm system in stand by mode.
They tend to alleviate strangers wondering on to my property when need be


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You're already doing a number of things right. You and the Mrs. are aware of your surroundings and it sounds like you keep your doors locked. If you don't already have them, solid entry doors and reinforced door jams are a wise investment. As mentioned, dogs make a great early warning system and they do deter crime, but they're expensive and a serious commitment.

.45 Colt is one of my favorite cartridges and I have no qualms about shooting lead bullets. A number of manufacturers offer various weight JHP and JSP loads and Barnes offers an all copper HP, but it's really intended for hunting and is a bit pricey. Whatever you choose, make sure it functions properly in your gun.

You never know when trouble will strike and your yard, garage and bathroom are not exempt. My first choice for home defense is a shotgun and I keep one loaded in the bedroom, but I'm not willing to carry it around the house at all times. I suspect you'll feel the same way about your .460 very quickly. A lightweight .38 Special is easy to carry in a pocket holster and you're more likely to have it at hand if you ever need it.
 
Dr. I also live in the country. I have a ring flood light cam and a ring door bell. I am alerted to any outside movement and can watch in real time as to who or what set it off. On the inside of my house I have a home alarm system with cameras. Your choice for hand guns will work just fine, but others may suggest something else. I like lasers on my home defense handguns as bad guys don't stand still like they do in the movies. Remember if you ever have to pull the trigger in self defense make sure its a real threat to your life or a family member life. Then call the police first and your lawyer second.
 
In my rural area, every year or so a crew of burglars sets up and will hit dozens of rural homes in a months time. Usually they want unoccupied homes, but occasionally they make a mistake and end up in a tussle. People do get hurt, some times victims, sometimes bad guys.

Great suggestions so far - send the message you are home first. Second, look hardened or at least prepared - security system signs, dogs, cameras, trespass signs, good lighting. Third, you guys are okay on the situational awareness, but a sensor for detection of vehicles driving up a lane and a camera may help. If you have decent trustworthy neighbors, make a habit of discussing anything out of place.

Nobody wants to shoot someone, until they absolutely must do so. Think about what Mas Ayoob teaches - practice with the revolvers and document training/practices. Bullet-wise, a lighter weight, lower velocity cartridge is good for a number of reasons. I recently found that my .38 S&W 442 shot point of aim with the Hornady 110gr hollow points, which are extremely controllable. As I age, I prefer less recoil and noise.
 
A couple things in OP's entry piqued my curiosity. He mentions threatening a bad guy with shooting thru the door. Don't know if he was serious, or what state he lives in, but shooting thru a closed door could get him in very deep excrement. Here in Michigan, we have a man sitting in prison right now for doing that very thing not long ago. Second, he says he and the wife are elderly and physically challenged. Their handgun choice is a S&W 460? As the old saying goes, "What's wrong with this picture." His house, his business, but as I said, curious.
 
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As stated above, home defense involves thinking about your situation in multiple layers. Some food for thought:

Is there something about your property that you can change that makes it a less likely target for intruders? Very few experience one aggressive break-in attempt at home and you have already had two (the same person?). Cameras, lights, a dog or fencing may all be good ideas.

With two intrusions under your belt already, do you have a response plan for the next one? What is your area's 911 response time? First-aid kit and training? Less-than-lethal alternatives like pepper gel? What are your state's laws regarding self-defense?

Do you have extensive firearms experience or recent training? At what distances might you have to use them, and where might the projectile(s) travel after a hit, or a miss? This may guide you toward a better (or worse) choice of firearm and ammunition type.

Good luck in your decisions and stay safe!
 
DrD, in another thread you mentioned that you may not conceal carry in your home. I've never heard of that. May I ask what state you are in?
Or PM me if you care to share.
 
Looks like everyone has covered it. I have an alarm that tells me if someone is trying to enter weather it is set or not. When I’m on vacation I try to set my windows and doors with objects so it’s hard to gain entrance. If someone tries to get in it will at least make noise. If that noise didn’t scare them away it will alert me that someone is trying to get in. We rent a small 2 room apartment for winter in Florida. I made pieces of wood to keep the sliding windows from opening to far. Some skinny person could probably gain access if they tried hard but it won’t be quiet. By the time they work their way in, Mister Smith and I will be there to great them.
 
I think you'd be well served with any of the weapons you currently possess, including that Lady Smith in .38 Special, but .45 Long Colt has a time-proven track record as an effective man-stopper dating back to 1873, so you made a wise decision by getting not one, but two firearms chambered in it.

That being said, I myself own a Taurus Judge Magnum which I keep loaded at my bedside with a mix of Federal Premium .410 Handgun 000 Buck 3" Shells and Barnes VOR-TX 200gr .45LC CHPs. The Federal .410 ammo made specifically for handguns like the Judge can produce devastating results at close range, but it kicks like a mule even out of my heavier Magnum version of the Judge, so I don't know if I'd recommend it if you're physically challenged, you'd probably be better off firing .45LC out of the Judge. In addition, I wouldn't recommend using ordinary .410 Bore in the Judge, seeing as shells designed to be fired from full length smoothbore shotguns tend to perform poorly out of the short 3" rifled barrel of the Judge. If you're going to load any .410 shotshells into the Judge, then make sure they're designed for handguns, are loaded with Buckshot not Birdshot, and only fill the cylinder with 2-3 shells then save the rest for .45LC.

As for using a 460XVR loaded with .45LC to help mitigate felt recoil, that may be a good idea as long as you have the arm strength to hold that heavy chunk of steel upright/on target reliably, otherwise you're better off using the Judge since it's significantly lighter, yet still heavy as far as most .45s go due to the elongated cylinder.

Regardless of what you choose, I would recommend strategically placing your firearms in locations throughout your home or otherwise carrying one on your person at all times, because none of those firearms will be particularly useful if they're upstairs in your closet of something when you need them on the first floor or inside your study like before.

Lastly, I'm going to go against the grain a bit here by saying that I disagree with the notion that dogs make good deterrents/alarms against Home Invaders. My parents are dog-lovers and thus have had many dogs, so I've had a lot of experience with them, ergo I can assure you that not all dogs are the stalwart guardians that folks make them out to be. To provide you with an anecdote here, there were at least 3 incidents I can think of in the past in which someone was trying to get into their home and garage in which the dogs remained dead silent and hid under the beds during the commotion. Dogs make make excellent companions in general, but the notion that all dogs are ever-vigilant security guards of infallible courage is a myth. Also, dogs can often be high maintenance, so I wouldn't recommend them to the physically-challenged because having to feed them, train them, take them for walks, clean up after them, and groom them can be physically strenuous.
If you want an actual guard dog, then you need to choose a dog with the genetic disposition and/or training to insure that they're up to the task. Getting a Cocker Spaniel and assuming that it will make a good guard dog is like using a Flare Gun and assuming that it's good for home defense because it's a gun.
 
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I'm sorry to hear of your problems. That's very scary. Personally, I carry a pistol at home all the time just in case, and if I had had instances like yours I would probably keep a short shotgun or carbine close by as well. Just be sure to put it away if children visit your house!

I have bought several hundred rounds from Precision One and have not had a single issue. They make a 45 Long Colt XTP that I would recommend for your 460.

45 COLT (LONG) : Precision ONe Ammunition, Dont Shoot Twice Shoot Precision ONe
 
You are way overthinking the situation.
Keep the 12 gauge handy....bring it into whatever room you're in , especially during the night time hours. Load it with buckshot.
00 or #4 , 2 3/4 inch...check ou the Low Recoil loadings....just fine for home defense.
Any 45 Colt load will be fine...check out 250 grain Cowboy Action loads...less recoil . Hitting is more important than bullet type . A 45 cal 250 grain slug to the midsection will deter an invader .

Gary
 
Plenty of good advice above so I'll try to be pithy.

1. You will go to jail if you shoot someone through your closed front door.

2. Constructively speaking, this makes no sense:


Now, to my question – while I’d prefer to shoot ammunition with the Honey Badger bullet, I don’t believe that said bullet’s available in .45 LC ammunition. I don’t want to shoot bare lead (cleaning issues . . .), but would rather stick to jacketed/coated bullets, or even solid copper, or some other material.

If you practice with your guns use jacketed ammunition. Not much in the way of cleaning issues. Cleaning your guns because you shot "bare lead" to stop a home invasion should NEVER be a consideration.

But whatever gun you use, buy high quality defensive ammunition for the house and be done with it. Don't look for some special bullet. Hornady Critical Defense, Remington Golden Saber, or similar top quality self defense ammunition is what you need to stoke your handguns with and, for your shotgun, quality shotgun ammunition. If recoil is an issue don't use heavy recoiling buckshot.

3. If you can take care of dogs you should have two but they are a responsibility and you must be able to shoulder that responsibility. Some dogs won't bark no matter what; most will. Most will NOT attack; some will. A yappy little dog is a good alarm but useless in a fight. A booming big barker might also be good in a fight. Maybe.

4. It's the 21st century. If it fits your budget, get some kind of a security system. Cameras. Alarms. Whatever. You're isolated - you need all the protection you can get.

5. Every window and door should be locked at all times. Period. The only time they are unlocked is when you go in and out or, since you are in the country, you're letting in fresh air.

6. Get a small handgun you can carry around with you all the time in the house. Never be without it. I don't think any jurisdiction that permits you to own a gun bars you from having it on your person in your house.

Not as pithy as I promised. But close...…….. ;)
 
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