Choosing Your Handguns in War

When I was in basic they jumped over 1911s, we didn't have them at all.
They were to busy packing the ranks to send to RVn. I didn't have 1911 until AIT. I couldn't hit squat with it. Instructor finally told me to quit trying to aim it and just point it. I did and just barely made qualification. The 1911s we had were rattle traps. Even in this condition they would serve the purpose they were ment for. I guess it depended what kind of outfit you were in whether a pistol was wanted. I spent a year on Quads & Sp 40mms. I wasn't walking and was issued a M16 . Which is a secondary weapon in that case. We did end up in static positions out in nowhere and
gathered up all the weapons we could from 38s to mortars, none of which were authorized.
 
Hi I have the book and the movie in DVD.I wonder how this book found its way down here.There´s a signature in one of the first pages, that is difficult to recognize, but it´s also written Texas 12-44.
If you wish I can scan it and here, maybe someone can help me identify the person behind the signature.
Regards, Ray


Ray, please scan and post. I'm one of several forum members who enjoy interpretive challenges like this.
 
Early 1970 most of the 1911a1s I came into contact with were well worn. But serviceable, after leaving the far east with the retirement of the173rd Ann, I found myself headed to Germany, where I was assigned to a mech. Infantry battalion, was not long until I was pulled by my battalion commander and sent to brigade HQ where I was drafted by the colonel as his driver slash guard, I was issued a 1911a1 with lots of use behind it, I purchased a new star b model in 9mm. That I loved and still own, I could se d the rounds into any place I wanted, I got permission from the old man to carry the star, it was with me anytime I was with the old man in a shoulder rig, loaded and ready.
He made me keep it in the arms room and I had to sign it out just about everyday.
That was 1973, brought it home to the us on a km flight in checked baggage
 
While in USMC serving in Okinawa I carried an M60 machine gun with 2 belts a M1911 with 4 spare mags on my right hip and my personal sawed off shotgun in a leg holster. I remember hearing the pistol slide rattle when we marched. Never did like that gun. They wouldn't let me bring the M60 back. The 1911 was junk I didn't want it. My shotgun came up missing from the armory never to be found.
 
Somewhere I read about a Scottish Lord who served in WWII, his peerage would have qualified him for a safe position but he demanded to be in combat. He did claim privileges - he brought a personal hunting rifle and his piper. That is going to war in style.
 
Somewhere I read about a Scottish Lord who served in WWII, his peerage would have qualified him for a safe position but he demanded to be in combat. He did claim privileges - he brought a personal hunting rifle and his piper. That is going to war in style.

Scottish Lord Lovat.

Simon Fraser, 15th Lord Lovat - Wikipedia

Sounds like a good man, inclined to do what he thought was warranted. Worth a read.
 
Extra weapons are often available in and around combat zones. Rear areas too. Often, particularly up until the last 30 years or so when the rear-echelon military bureaucrats control so much of what goes on farther forward, a soldier's Platoon and Company officers set the policies on things like handguns. Most didn't care as long as you weren't a danger to yourself or your comrades.
During WWII policies changed all the time in the different theaters regarding shipping or carrying home enemy rifles and pistols as war trophies. Sometimes issued handguns were allowed to be brought home from overseas with a wink and a nod from an understanding NCO or officer, although technically against the rules.
Don't know how he got it home, but the actor Glenn Ford reportedly had a Chinese version of a bazooka hanging on the fireplace of his house that he said the enemy soldier that he took it from didn't need any more after he made the mistake of trying to kill him ( Ford ) with it.
 
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In the WW 1 book, "A Rifleman Went to War" by Herbert(?) McBride, he wrote about pistols in the trench raiding parties. He was a 1911 fan as opposed to the British Revolvers used by Canada (for which he served.) He liked the fast reloading and the relative lack of dirt passages of the revolvers. He said he only needed his 1911 (which I think was a commercial model sent him by his family) and fired it once at about 3 yards but really needed when on a trench raid.
 
We got papers from Povost Marshall to bring home enemy weapons. A lot of guys had unauthorized items other than guns. At considerable trouble to get them as far as in your duffle on trip home. My plane load was standing in line to be checked at SETAC. Standing in the rain at 3:00am in Feb on a Sunday morning. The word filtered back that they were strip searching guys for Dope. I didn't think much of it at the time that there where big dumpsters right beside us. Anyway everyone started tossing unauthorized items in the dumpster. I had a bundle of KaBars that I pitched. Nothing was worth the chance of getting in trouble. We got inside and they hardly checked us at all. Later I wondered if that was put up. If not I would sure like to have had the concession of emptying those dumpsters.
 
Well done, gentlemen, well done. Commendable discussion. Never having been sent into harm's way by our favorite Uncle all I could do was qualify expert and wear medals. :D

I do recall a favorite scene from the movie "Platoon" where a GI discusses why he carried a revolver with him and in a fight scene he used it. I always wondered how accurate that was. Now I know.

For the record, we do have a Forum member who carried a High Standard double action derringer with him in RVN and he used it effectively. I'll not repeat his story; that's his prerogative.
 
I was in a Jungle Clearing Unit in Nam. We had a lot of choices from all the firearm in our cache of uncovered artifacts. It did not necessarily mean we had all the ammo one would need.

I stuck with the M-16 and my trusty Remington Rand M1911A1.
 
When I arrived in Vietnam in 1969 as a young PFC, I was issued an M-16. If you were a Staff NCO or an Officer, you could carry most anything you wanted:

S&W 29
Swedish K
Browning Highpower
Winchester 97 trench gun
Remington 870
Thompson
Grease Gun
M1911-A1
M-2 Carbine
and other S&W and Colt revolvers.
 
I have sold two rifles that had the original Povost documents still attached.
One was a Jap 7.7 wich had Mum ground off and was brought home by a Navy WW2 vet. The other was a Chinese Mosin brought home from RVn by a Marine. Both brought more than same rifles with no history. I had seen some big piles of captured weapons in RVn and 90% of rifles were AKs. I'm not completely sure but I think you could get papers for a AK but it had to be welded up. I have seen them on plaques in Dewat condition, might have been a officer thing.
 
I was in the Danang area of RVN in 70/71, attached to a Army Medium Boat Company. In the company area we were issued M-16s which were kept in the arms room, if you were stationed aboard a boat you were not issued a firearm. The smaller boats like Mike 3's and 8's were not armed, although there were provisions for M-60's on the Mike 8's when they went uprivers or special operations. The LCU's had M2's and 20mm anti-aircraft guns on either forecastle. I got stationed on an LCU and was designated sharpshooter and told to chose a weapon from the arms room. I chose an M-14 and was issued a pair of pouches with magazines and given a standard ammo box of ammunition. I kept the M-14 in the wheelhouse at all times. No one was trained on the M-2 or 20 mm cannons, I figured that stuff out with a little help from a friend and we had them all up and running before long. I was never trained with the 1911 but got my hands on one as soon as I could, I hated the idea of walking around unarmed when it was common sight to see "cowboys" running around on Honda 50's. I wore mine in a shoulder holster under my fatigue shirt and never had to pull it in defense, I did show it off a time or two to let people know I would not go quietly into that dark night. The 1911 has my respect for what it is...reliable and efficient.
Back in the time I was in RVN you could get your hands on literally anything you wanted for a price. We had our hands on everything from LAWS rockets to Claymores in the marine division. The LCUs we were issued had just come out of Luzon Harbor in the P.I. where they had been mothballed since WWII. They came to use fully intact with all the hatches welded shut, we had to cut the welds and bring the boat back to operational status, you never knew what you were going to find inside the compartments, it was a race to rummage around. Guys found Thompsons, Grease Guns, 1911's, lots of live ordinance like pineapple grenades, tons of junk mostly rusty stuff. The engine rooms were completely covered with cosmoline, those poor buggers had to clean it off with gasoline and pressurized steam. I was leading seaman/coxswain/designated rifleman. Our job was to scrape and paint the 150' boat. I figured out the mechanical stuff like the gasoline ramp motor and the M2 and 20mm cannons, which we were suppose to leave alone...right. Most of the crews just painted the cannons, I was working on one of them one day and decided to try to paint around the barrel and when I lifted on the barrel which looked like it was hinged it moved, I lifted it higher and higher until it was nearly pointed skyward when I heard a loud "Snick", then the spring pressure was relieved, I went around to the paddle trigger and pressed it, there was a rewarding "Snap". I had solved the issue of cocking the piece, the rest was straight forward. We had no instructions and nobody was around to have used them in WWII. My FIL said they sounded like Oerlichen guns, they were single barreled, magazine fed, automatic anti aircraft cannons. In operation they had a fairly lazy action but could truly put a hurt on anything within range, which seemed like 1000 yds. They were the best gun find I ever got a chance to fool around with while there. We were limited to ammunition and "borrowed magazines" from some of the other boats, who usually tossed them over the side and used the ammo lockers for something else.
 
Had son and BIL in Desert Storm. My boy has pictures of weapons laying in the road where jet fighters wiped out big convoys going back to Iraq.
They were forbidden from picking up any weapons. I think maybe the days of war trophy weapons are over. Neither son nor BIL were combat arms both were in transportation outfits.
 
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