Is the 40 S&W a must have cartridge?

I inherited a Glock 22 that is chambered in .40 S&W. I don't like or dislike it. I'm not what you would call recoil sensitive and enjoy shooting .357 revolvers so the .40 is not a problem. I also have a number of 9mm handguns and they are just less expensive to shoot. I also have an all metal Sig, the P226 Elite, all stainless steel with Rosewood grips so I can see the attraction to the gun you are looking at so I would suggest that if you purchase the gun that you're doing it because you like the gun, not just the caliber. This being said, my Sig P226 Elite is not my favorite gun to shoot. Also, I have noticed that the same gun in .40 cal doesn't hold its value very well and there are lots of them for sale at deep discounts. That being said there are plenty of lovers of the .40 but I would just as soon shoot my .45. You have said that you don't need a .40 but I learned a long time ago that people don't always buy what they need, they buy what they want. So if you really like the Sig I would say to go for it. I would suggest that if you can, shoot one first and then decide, it might change your mind. Regards, Elliot45
 
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Let me state my prejudices up front: I like revolvers. I like ringing steel at 100 yards+. playing defense at 7 yards is the most boring shooting I do and I've got some of the best high-end, semi-autos ever made. Guns that float in the tub aren't my thing.

Normally my mantra is variety. I handload so I know I can make almost any caliber dance the way I want. Still there are certain calibers that have proven themselves to millions of people over a very long period.

I tend to think the market finds the truth. Not the media and certainly not the forums. The media has attempted to kill my own selection of best all around; the 357 Maximum. Even the fake gun media is not to be trusted. There's money involved.

The media all jumped up for the 40 and political LE departments had little choice but to join in. Now we see that didn't last long. So what did LEO's discover that led to the next Wonder Caliber acquired through some slanted acquisition RFP.

Like Jurassic Park said, there's a reason nature selected the dinosaur for extinction. I feel the same about calibers in general.

I have the most gorgeous BBQ gun in silver and gold from Browning High Power. It's beautifully engraved. I love it. That's how I got into 40 which I handload for. I don't hate anything and I'm not ignorant; however, I have never bonded with the 40. I'm usually fully conversant about why I enjoy one caliber over another, but my feelings toward the 40 are just bland. It doesn't float my boat. Nothing seems to distinguish it from others and I have never found the specialty. My 10mm in a T/C is slightly more interesting; but not much. Given many choices at the bench, I just don't pick up the 40 or the 10.

I stopped years ago buying guns because of price. I have all the old truck, toolbox, fishing guns I will ever need. They all seem like a waste of time and resources now. Dumb purchases on my part I don't enjoy. Now, I search for guns that will make me grin every time I hold or shoot them. What remains of my life is too short for ugly or boring.

Of all the handgun calibers I have, handload, and shoot; the 40 would be the first to go. (Funny though, I'm keeping the gun)
If 40 was all I had, I think I could make it do whatever I wanted and needed. Handloading and calibers are like that. Luckily I have many, many choices after trying each one out.

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Today the 40's specialty is a very sweet price. If that's your criteria, you may want to consider food and a fork instead.
 
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So will .38 Special or .380 ACP, and with substantially less recoil, meaning faster follow up shots.

Come to think of it, The 9mm Luger should never have been born. It's an answer to a problem that didn't exist. ;)

No, here's where you bump up against physiology.

The .38's a good round, but the .380 (and smaller) lacks the momentum to ensure adequate penetration. Mousegun bullets will bounce off the sternum, be deflected by a rib, etc. where the service calibers will penetrate to the vitals.

Two factors in successful shots: (1) placement and (2) penetration. Everything else is mythology: expansion, hydrostatic shock, stopping power, shocking power, knockdown power, temporary wound cavitation.
 
Being a reloader, I am a fan of the .40 S&W cartridge. :D

Funny enough, that's exactly why I'm not a fan of the 40. I had one about 8 or so years back and a friend was saving me his brass. Much of it was bulged ("Glocked") and I just decided I didn't want to deal with it.

Nothing wrong with the caliber and nothing wrong with stocking up on cheap handguns.
 
No, here's where you bump up against physiology.

The .38's a good round, but the .380 (and smaller) lacks the momentum to ensure adequate penetration. Mousegun bullets will bounce off the sternum, be deflected by a rib, etc. where the service calibers will penetrate to the vitals.

Two factors in successful shots: (1) placement and (2) penetration. Everything else is mythology: expansion, hydrostatic shock, stopping power, shocking power, knockdown power, temporary wound cavitation.

Incorrect. The same advancements in ballistics technology which have allowed the 9mm Luger to penetrate deeply with reliable expansion have been applied to .380 ACP as well, so now with proper ammo selection, the .380 ACP is capable of meeting FBI/IWBA specifications by penetrating a minimum of 12" into a ballistics gel block through 4 layers of heavy denim with full expansion. The only downside is that the bullets capable of reaching theses specs don't expand very much and they on average fall between 2-3" less than their 9mm Luger counterparts. (If you need proof, look up some .380 ammo tests on YouTube featuring the XTP bullet, honorable mention goes to shootingthebull410 who has done extensive testing on .380 ammo.)

The point I'm trying to make here is, you're being extremely arrogant and obtuse by making silly inflammatory statements like how .40 S&W and .45 ACP should have never existed just because 9mm Luger is an effective round. .380 ACP with proper ammo selection can be effective as well, does that make 9mm Luger a useless round? Certainly not, and neither does 9mm Luger being an effective cartridge make .40 S&W or .45 ACP useless cartridges.

Sometimes folks just like to carry larger caliber rounds which deliver more energy.
 
Incorrect. The same advancements in ballistics technology which have allowed the 9mm Luger to penetrate deeply with reliable expansion have been applied to .380 ACP as well, so now with proper ammo selection, the .380 ACP is capable of meeting FBI/IWBA specifications by penetrating a minimum of 12" into a ballistics gel block through 4 layers of heavy denim with full expansion. The only downside is that the bullets capable of reaching theses specs don't expand very much and they on average fall between 2-3" less than their 9mm Luger counterparts. (If you need proof, look up some .380 ammo tests on YouTube featuring the XTP bullet, honorable mention goes to shootingthebull410 who has done extensive testing on .380 ammo.)

The point I'm trying to make here is, you're being extremely arrogant and obtuse by making silly inflammatory statements like how .40 S&W and .45 ACP should have never existed just because 9mm Luger is an effective round. .380 ACP with proper ammo selection can be effective as well, does that make 9mm Luger a useless round? Certainly not, and neither does 9mm Luger being an effective cartridge make .40 S&W or .45 ACP useless cartridges.

Sometimes folks just like to carry larger caliber rounds which deliver more energy.

I don't pay attention to ballistic gel blocks or Youtube tests. I talk to big-city ER doctors and pathologists, and study autopsy reports. Those sources tell a different tale. They will tell you that it's placement and penetration that shut bad guys down, not "energy" or any of the other aforementioned myths. The .380, even in its most effective form, FMJ, doesn't reliably penetrate. They will tell you:

1. Pathologists can't tell what made the hole(s), what caliber it was, or what type of bullet it was, from examination of the body.

2. People hit in vital organs with any kind of bullet or caliber die pretty quickly. Those who aren't, don't.

3. Magnum stuff, .44, 10mm, etc. doesn't make humans any deader than the service calibers.

4. Shot failures are failures to penetrate, not failures to expand.

5. Handgun bullets frequently fail to expand at all in people, and those that do, usually just deform oddly rather than make those perfect mushrooms and flowers seen in bullet ads.

6. "Terminal ballistics testing," i.e. gel blocks covered with x layers of denim, etc. are low-order approximations. Human bodies are complex and each shooting is unique and unpredictable.

7. If Agent Dove had been shooting FMJ rather than expanding Silvertip bullets, Michael Platt might (or might not) have gone down in seconds rather than in four minutes and seven shot Special Agents. That was a shot failure due to penetration failure, not some imagined "weakness" of the 9mm caliber.

8. The .40 was invented because agents couldn't handle the 10mm. The 10mm was fielded because Agent Dove's bullet didn't stop Michael Platt quickly enough.

9. The .45 ACP may have been invented because the .38 didn't stop Moros quickly enough, but they don't tell you about the sequel: Moros hit with .45 didn't fall any quicker than they did when hit by .38. Some of them kept on going even after multiple hits with .30-40 Krag rounds.

All this and more upsets shooters to no end. It destroys cherished myths and shakes their confidence in their magic self defense bullets.

But that's the reality of it.

Bottom line: For defense against bad guys, 9mm FMJ is as good as anything out there, and better than many.
 
I am a .40 fan. 3 Smith semi-autos and a 610 revolver that gets a regular dose of 40 S&W. Could i live without? Yes, But i don't have to! Not wishing to stir the post to excess: The Forty is everything the 9 wishes it was!
 
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Some interesting takes on the .40 S&W in this thread. I'll just add that I never thought I'd need or want a .40 until I bought a Kahr CM40. Turned out to be a pistol that I shoot as well or better than any of my 9's or 45's so it didn't take long to become my favorite EDC. Even though it only holds six rounds, I have no worries because I'm extremely accurate with it when practicing defensive scenarios. Probably only need one or two rounds anyway, unless I run into six assailants.
 
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My perspective is this: it is a wimpy handgun round, but the pistols chambering it are cheap right now. And there are some excellent pistols to be had at bargain prices if one is smart enough to realize that 40SW is just another wimpy handgun round.
If I need to get into a fight I'll take my rifle.
 
I have all the guns I'll ever need...wait a second!

I work in a gun store that buys used firearms. We have stopped buying 40 S&W. We cannot sell them. Nobody, and I mean nobody, wants them.

Ooh, ooh - Time to go shopping ;)

I have zero 9mm but own three .40 caliber pistols.

My belief is that at least one caliber is absolutely necessary but you need to do the choosing.

I will recommend getting a threaded barrel and suppressor.

.40 caliber suppressors are kind of rare.
 
My perspective is this: it is a wimpy handgun round, but the pistols chambering it are cheap right now. And there are some excellent pistols to be had at bargain prices if one is smart enough to realize that 40SW is just another wimpy handgun round.
If I need to get into a fight I'll take my rifle.

Unfortunately, in most states open carry of a rifle is frowned upon and is bound to attract unwanted attention, so we're pretty much stuck with carrying wimpy handguns.
Sure, you can keep a rifle in your automobile, but personally I wouldn't count on always being in close proximity to my car should I need a firearm, nor would I expect an assailant to politely wait for me to retrieve a rifle from my vehicle.

So if you're stuck using a handgun, then it just makes sense to carry one which comes chambered in the most powerful cartridge you can manage and holds as many rounds as possible in the magazine. Personally, I don't subscribe to the belief that there's no benefit to carrying a .40 over a 9mm, so I would prefer to carry a larger diameter bullet over a smaller diameter bullet whenever possible.
 
Unfortunately, in most states open carry of a rifle is frowned upon and is bound to attract unwanted attention, so we're pretty much stuck with carrying wimpy handguns.
I think you missed the point. If I need to get into a fight - I take a rifle.
The wimpy pistol is something I have with me out of convenience, since I'm likely to have it with me when I need it.
All wimpy pistol cartridges are much the same.
 
I enjoy my M&P compact in 40 S&W but frankly bought it because of the low price of used agency trade-ins right now. Which is the same reason I bought my 4" M&P in 45 ACP a couple years ago, although I've shot 45 ACP for decades. If I was limited to only factory ammo I'd probably pick 9mm over 40 S&W. Since I reload I like 40 S&W better than 9mm. Cases are easier to handle and cost is almost the same. 175gns of lead vs 128gns of lead, a extra gn of powder, everything else is a wash cost wise.
 
IMHO the 229 Sig is the finest combat handgun ever made

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Hope to find out soon, as I just picked one up today. Has the DAK trigger system on it. Something else to learn I guess. But I happen to like the .40 cal and being a reloader, I just might get a 357 barrel for it, just because I don't have one. :D
 
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